Prog POP... Well... Crossover thread!!!

cool Mandy....  I figured you'd find us sooner or later. There is some great stuff in Xover.  Not just the classic stuff you mentioned there... but in my humble opinion..  Crossover prog is one .. if not the most active and interesting today.  There are a lot of great.. interesting bands being added in Xover all the time.  Look at the rave reviews 3RDegree, as featured artist of the month, is getting. 

Edited by micky - December 24 2008 at 15:07

Mandrakeroot wrote: Well ... In a certain sense I am discovering great bands / artists in Xover... I seek to deepen the Xover as genre and not as part of Art Rock (which too often it is approached [and often confused]). I discovered as there is in Xover trying to make a hybrid between Prog and POP that is 100% Prog. Xover, for me, is Prog with a POP approach. And that makes him really interesting Xover.   An Italian band really interesting in this sense (and active since the end of the 60's) is: Alunni Del Sole.   Here I put some examples from you tube: Aggiunto 03:34 [TRADOTTO] Gli Alunni del Sole - Isa...Isab...   Aggiunto 04:49 [TRADOTTO] Gli Alunni Del Sole - Jenny   Aggiunto 03:06 [TRADOTTO] Gli Alunni Del Sole - Pagliaccio...   Aggiunto 03:29 [TRADOTTO] Alunni del Sole - L'aquilone   Aggiunto 03:48 [TRADOTTO] Alunni del sole - l'aquilone   Aggiunto 03:06 [TRADOTTO] Alunni del Sole - 'A Canzuncella...   Aggiunto 03:19 [TRADOTTO] Alunni Del Sole - Liù (1978)   Aggiunto 03:09 [TRADOTTO] Alunni del Sole - Concerto   Unfortunately they are too often described as a POP band... But I believe that Alunni Del Sole are an excellent example of Xover made in Italy!

interesting Mandy... I'll check that out.  Not familiar with them   Remember though that PFM, for example,  were also called a pop band.  Pop is what pop is...  in the eye of the beholder.

micky wrote: interesting Mandy... I'll check that out.  Not familiar with them   Remember though that PFM, for example,  were also called a pop band.  Pop is what pop is...  in the eye of the beholder.

Mandrakeroot wrote: Clearly, the POP is not Prog.

hahahha.. amen brother  Like this gem   Man that dude plays some kick ass air guitar hahhaha

I like Time of Orchids, Oingo Boingo and XTC. 

Mandrakeroot wrote: A great genre that I re-discovered in this last week!...I think it is appropriate to open a thread for discussion of this genre that is really Prog although many think it is a duplicate of Prog Related.

Edited by p0mt3 - December 25 2008 at 10:54

TGM: Orb wrote: Excellent 'genre' Been listening to Peter Gabriel IV a lot recently (great stuff)

micky wrote: p0mt3 wrote: I realize that Mike and Steely are considered Crossover here, but in my opinion . . .   Mike Oldfield is not Crossover. He's Eclectic. Steely Dan is not Crossover. They are Jazz-Rock.   What either of these artists are doing in Crossover I will never know.   Oldfield has been a topic of discussion for some time... genre placement is not perfect here.  As a collab I assume you understand the nature of genre team work here.  Some think eclectic.. some Crossover.. baring any kind of consensus he has stayed where he was first put during the AR split.  Steely Dan was a bit more touchy... that addition was done in conjunction between the Xover and J-R teams.  It was the considered opinion of that team that while Steely Dan was J-R... thus prog... it fit more in line with what the site had in mind with Xover.   ie.. the merging of prog with popular music.. or the dreaded pop music. The Xover team approved.. thus they were added there. The bio states quite clearly they are a J-R group.. however they do not exactly 'fit' what the site had in mind for J-R.. .and did for Xover.  That is the ...ehhh... short story of all that.

p0mt3 wrote: micky wrote: p0mt3 wrote: I realize that Mike and Steely are considered Crossover here, but in my opinion . . .   Mike Oldfield is not Crossover. He's Eclectic. Steely Dan is not Crossover. They are Jazz-Rock.   What either of these artists are doing in Crossover I will never know.   Oldfield has been a topic of discussion for some time... genre placement is not perfect here.  As a collab I assume you understand the nature of genre team work here.  Some think eclectic.. some Crossover.. baring any kind of consensus he has stayed where he was first put during the AR split.  Steely Dan was a bit more touchy... that addition was done in conjunction between the Xover and J-R teams.  It was the considered opinion of that team that while Steely Dan was J-R... thus prog... it fit more in line with what the site had in mind with Xover.   ie.. the merging of prog with popular music.. or the dreaded pop music. The Xover team approved.. thus they were added there. The bio states quite clearly they are a J-R group.. however they do not exactly 'fit' what the site had in mind for J-R.. .and did for Xover.  That is the ...ehhh... short story of all that.   Oh, yes, I realize the process isn't perfect, and like I say I'm just glad those bands are on this site, regardless of where to find them. :) I was just saying that those other genres seemed to match the bands better, but I understand that it isn't always easy to determine where to put certan artists-- especially if they are truly progressive and hard to define. That's the cost of sub-categorization, I suppose, :-P.

that is the cost.. for those who think they have the world figured out and think prog bands can be pigeonholed into nice discrete sub-genres.  For everyone else though... fans of the Mahavishnu Orchestra won't have a conniption wondering why a group that did something  'Rikki don't Lose that Number' (to the uneducated a simple pop song.. to those who bother to learn and listen.. a song lifted from from jazz) is in the same sub-genre.  That is the difference...  some Jazz-rock here is 'in your face' so to speak...  others.. are more subtle.. and since many here are locked into pre-concieved notions of groups, music, or what or should not be here.. they very often fail to make the connection.  While Steely Dan is, I wil venture to say.. MORE Jazz-Rock than M.O. the expectations of the forum take precedence.  A general listener to J-R will say WFF to seeing Steely Dan in J-R... no w**king off and instrumental flights of w**kery.  That is NOT what jazz or jazz-rock is about.  However we all serve the site.  SD didn't fit the concieved notion of J-R.  Being a controvsial addition as it was, that sure wasn't the group to start trying to expand people's minds hahha.  However  while those who peruse Xover.. will understand exactly why they fit there.  Unfortunately it came to be that it had to be shown that SD FIT EXACTLY what this site determined Xover to be.  That sh*t is not simple pop music.. and any who confuse it with pop.. simply aren't listening close enough.. or just won't let go of preconcieved notions of the band.. or it's music.   I do get a laugh at those, like the nice knowledgeable person above... and even some collabs, saying that pop and prog can not meet... says who... and what what they say to those who might say that rock and prog can not meet.   You know.. what the hell is the difference.. none.