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    Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:14

Almost more than half the kids that attend my school pretty much suck at life because they don't listen to the most amazing stuff ever: prog rock!

You know the sh*t that these teenagers are into in this generation....Jonas Brothers...Fall Out Boy....Hannah Montana [barf]....
It just sucks that a few kids listen to Rush, and it sucks that even fewer know what Rush is.
 
And it's not just Rush, of course....it's all those other bands that they're missing out on, too! Jesus. I just don't see how people can pick Avenged Sevenfold over Porcupine Tree. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm a pretty big fan of A7X...but seriously, they don't even come close when in a contest with progressive rock/metal.
 
Just recently, I changed out my iPod completely because I've been listening to the same stuff for five years straight: Dream Theater, Rush, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, etc. I've got to admit, that stuff was getting to be a little too much; it was time for something different. Since my dad is pretty much lazy and decides not to fix the iTunes on our computer, I went over to my friend's house and changed out the songs that I had for her stuff. I now listen to more modern stuff like Atreyu, System of a Down, Linkin Park, and I Set My Friends on Fire. That's stuff isn't so bad, but now that I've had it for about a month now, I'm starting to miss the ol' prog.
 
Here's what I pretty much noticed while listening intently to the two styles of music.
 
1. The guitars are usually in the same tuning: either D, D flat, or C.
The guitarists, for some odd reason, don't like to change up their tuning very much; they keep it the same throughout ever song. Take Atreyu, for example. From what I've heard (I can't judge every song because I haven't heard every song that they've ever written), they keep their guitars in C tuning! Not that it's a bad thing, of course, because C is actually amazing, but it does tend to get a little bit old after the third song you listen to.
 
2. They overuse the root note of the song.
We prog musicians/music listeners are so used to hearing different keys and starting scale degrees that we get a little bored of hearing the 'do' of the same key throughout a song or even a couple of songs. Like I said in reason #1, they like to keep the same tuning for almost every piece they write, and the key of the song is 96% of the time the lowest power chord on the guitar. Whether it's two guitarists in the band, rhythm and lead, or just one, in almost every measure, there HAS to be a C note played, or a D note, or a D flat note. It's almost addictive, I think, because when I play guitar, I find myself hitting those notes. Weeeeirrrd o.O
 
3. The singers often times use the same melody for different songs.
Let's say the melody for a System of a Down song was D, E, F sharp, E. Stupid example, I know, but just bear with me here, I don't have a guitar with me at the moment. In another song, it might be (same key, mind you) E, D, F sharp, F sharp. I know that SOAD like to use foreign scales, but I can't think of any at the moment, so we'll just stick with major. That's pretty much how they do for the vast majority of their music. It's a little annoying, but I guess we musicians have to put up with it if we wanna be 'hip'. Haha ^_~
 
4. There's always a 'crunch' sound in the guitar tones that they use.
Now, me being a guitarist, I pay close attention to the guitars during a song. I notice that with every song, whether it be all gain with no bass or vice versa, a little bit of gain with a whole hell of a lot of treble, or even clean with a small amount of gain, there for some reason has to be a certain 'crunch' in the tone, no matter if it's a slow song or not. I'm not complaining about it, I find the crunch sound way more pleasant to hear over a clean tone, but that's just me. That's just something I notice. There have been a few reported occasions where they don't use a crunchy sound, but that's pretty rare for the songs and artists on my iPod.
 
5. [Last one, I promise] What's with the constant use of screaming??!
The first time I heard Octavarium, the climatic part when James LaBrie starts screaming, "Trapped inside! This! Octavarium!" I literally had a music orgasm. LMAO it was AWESOME! Just the emotion put into that part made me like..."Gah!" lol
But yeah, I have to complain, the screaming done in most of the bands that I listen to on my iPod is pretty much getting a little wasted. One of my most favorite screamers, however, the one from the band Attack Attack!, is amazing. I don't necessarily criticize his over use of his talent, but I guess for the screamer of Atreyu I have to admit, not the best in the world. Mainly because I don't like it THAT much....I dunno. Just the screaming in general I can do without, except for Att Att ^_^
 
 
 
 
OK! Now that's all said and done....you're probably wondering, "How the hell does this fit into the category of kids sucking at listening to good music?!" Well, my progheaded friends, the generation that we live in today is just another generation of evolution: evolving into something more stupid than the last. With less attention spans and more incoherent humour, we often find ourselves in the midst of an apocalyptic era in terms of good music. What you guys have heard on the radio 30 years ago is much more different than the music we hear on the radio today. And, in my opinion, the sh*t that was played back then was f**king AMAZING. Led Zeppelin overrules the Backstreet Boys with Jimmy Page's left pinkie. Haha
 
But then again, music is an opinion. But seriously, who said that there's no such thing as stupid opinions? ^_~
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:23
Originally posted by PetrucciPal PetrucciPal wrote:

It just sucks that a few kids listen to Rush, and it sucks that even fewer know what Rush is.

 


How can there be fewer kids who know Rush than there are kids who listen to Rush? Confused

Do some kids listen to 2112 and go "Just what is this delightful sound?"  LOLWink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:31

I wish I could know music theory to answer your post. Not only kids such at music , today I went to a record store , and I was next to the jazz section when one girl was looking for help to get a record for a relative. He asked one of the employees and he refused because he didn't know anything about the genre.

 
Besides , he said ( while looking a Herbie HancocK CD) Who knows this guy? His music must be awful!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:33
Prog-anger. Been there. Don't worry, it eventually leads to acceptance, then you stop caring and get into jazz. Seen it a thousand times. It's nice here, chin up!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:42
lol whoops. OK, that makes sense. XD
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 12:45
Originally posted by Mousoleum Mousoleum wrote:

Prog-anger. Been there. Don't worry, it eventually leads to acceptance, then you stop caring and get into jazz. Seen it a thousand times. It's nice here, chin up!
 
Hahahaha it's exactly what happened to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:03

Unfortunately it's true.  And for those that haven't heard the Nickelback mash-up song, proving that they use the same formula for every song, it's both hilarious and depressing. 

But if you want some hope you could check out my music...Try the link belowWink 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:03
I am more frustrated by my teenage in-laws.

If a song (even a good song, say something from Queen or Led Zeppelin) isn't on a movie or television program produced by Disney or covered on American Idol (or some such thing), it is unknown to them.  And then when they hear it, it's like, totally, the best song EVER!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:15
"I literally had a music orgasm. "

Way Way Way WAAAAY to much information! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:20
I got news for ya, it's not just kids. Bottom line, most ppl like music that makes them move, not think. In fact ppl hate thinking in general, and sometimes they get pissed off when I try to force them to. Thinking causes you to do annoying things like question yourself and see things in shades of gray instead of black and white. Who wants that? So since ppl hate thinking, music that makes you think will always be in the minority. We've Beauvoir would have said we've become a culture full of sub-men.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:23
I hate ppl who use bbrvtns that are nknwn to me. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:40
First of all, a large proportion of prog fans are musicians, and the majority of humans are not serious musicians.
 
Second of all, music serves many functions and many of them don't really have anything to do with art or artistry. It's hard to dance to 11/8 (though it can be done) ((maybe not if you're a white boy like me)).
 
Thirdly of all, why not just keep the good stuff to yourself! If someone ever comes up and says "You know, I just can't find anything interesting in music anymore." you rub your hands in delight and say "Well there's this little band called Gentle Giant."
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:47
I don't understand why people here get so upset about stuff like this. It's even scary when people are planning-out all the prog their kids are going to listen to... *shivers*
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:51
Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

First of all, a large proportion of prog fans are musicians, and the majority of humans are not serious musicians.
 
Second of all, music serves many functions and many of them don't really have anything to do with art or artistry. It's hard to dance to 11/8 (though it can be done) ((maybe not if you're a white boy like me)).
 
Thirdly of all, why not just keep the good stuff to yourself! If someone ever comes up and says "You know, I just can't find anything interesting in music anymore." you rub your hands in delight and say "Well there's this little band called Gentle Giant."
 
 
Y'know, that all makes sense. You're right, the majority of people aren't musicians. Buttttttt, the ones that ARE have to suffer. At least that's what I think. For many musicians that I know, myself included, we like to share our music with a lot of people, but we can't seem to find the right kind of people to share it with...mainly because a lot of the people that we know (especially at my age) aren't musicians themselves. So, with that being said, all my favorite types of music can't be shared within my group of friends, or really anywhere else at my school, for that matter, because everyone there sucks at life. lol kidding, but yeah. =/
 
lol, who needs dancing when you can PLAY that stuff?!! Haha ^_~
 
I sort of agree with you on that one. Keeping it to ourselves will only make it more....genuine, if that's the right word. idk, I guess I just have to find the right people to share it with. =)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 13:59
Originally posted by Deathrabbit Deathrabbit wrote:

I got news for ya, it's not just kids. Bottom line, most ppl like music that makes them move, not think. In fact ppl hate thinking in general, and sometimes they get pissed off when I try to force them to. Thinking causes you to do annoying things like question yourself and see things in shades of gray instead of black and white. Who wants that? So since ppl hate thinking, music that makes you think will always be in the minority. We've Beauvoir would have said we've become a culture full of sub-men.


Thumbs Up.  You are right. People do not like to think.  Why is that?  There is so much to think about.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:11
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I literally had a music orgasm.

It's called an "eargasm."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:22
I'm in college at the moment, and the kids I go there with are around 16-18 years old. You'd actually be surprised how many of them enjoy my music, but just haven't heard of any of it. There are more metalheads than you can count, and I've managed to convert half of them to Opeth, Meshuggah, BTBAM and Cynic effortlessly. OK, the bands listed may be on the heavier side of Prog, but it's still prog nonetheless. One of my best friends has just asked to borrow my Isis collection for a week, and he's into Grindcore and Grime. Personally, I believe that lots of people like the genre, but just haven't heard any of it yet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:53
Kids are kids, they need to be educated, that's it. Music appreciation is just as long a skill to acquire as reading and counting, except that's it's not taught in school as extensively, and in some cases, it's not taught at all.
 
And you can't take a kid who likes Hannah Montana and call him (or her) is an idiot for not getting Porcupine Tree: it's like trying to teach advanced geometry after having taught 1+1=2. It's a long process, we just gotta keep the faith.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 14:59
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I hate ppl who use bbrvtns that are nknwn to me. Wink

Well, like how do you feel about people who like use like too much, or is that like totally passe now? Tongue

By the way, Petrucci, I see by your profile you are 55 years old.  Keep getting held back from passing on to the next grade? LOL  So, are you only as old as you are young or as young as you are old?

I was a teen back in the late '70's when I first became a prog nut.  It really was about the same back then.  Maybe not as bad.


Edited by Slartibartfast - December 23 2008 at 16:17
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2008 at 15:01
Originally posted by June June wrote:

Kids are kids, they need to be educated, that's it. Music appreciation is just as long a skill to acquire as reading and counting, except that's it's not taught in school as extensively, and in some cases, it's not taught at all.
 
And you can't take a kid who likes Hannah Montana and call him (or her) is an idiot for not getting Porcupine Tree: it's like trying to teach advanced geometry after having taught 1+1=2. It's a long process, we just gotta keep the faith.


Gotta give you mad props! 

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