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prog4evr
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 03:48 | ||
Tony Banks credits influence from Procol Harum, and I don't think he was the only one of that early prog generation...
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micky
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Posted: December 13 2008 at 07:17 | ||
exactly |
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Chelsea
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Posted: December 14 2008 at 11:34 | ||
Robert Fripp on hearing the Beatles Sgt Pepper
Robert Fripp- When I was 20, I worked at a hotel in a dance orchestra, playing weddings, bar-mitzvahs, dancing, cabaret. I drove home and I was also at college at the time. Then I put on the radio (Radio Luxemburg) and I heard this music. It was terrifying. I had no idea what it was. Then it kept going. Then there was this enormous whine note of strings. Then there was this colossal piano chord. I discovered later that I'd come in half-way through Sgt. Pepper, played continuously. My life was never the same again. |
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CPicard
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 12:54 | ||
Really? I would have thought Fripp would have been more aware of some musical experimentations before hearing Sgt. Pepper. Well, we learn something everyday.
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A B Negative
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 13:53 | ||
Possibly Bartok and Stravinsky but maybe not in the context of "pop music".
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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A B Negative
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 13:57 | ||
I'm going to ignore the Beatles and say that Krautrock would have been very different without Pink Floyd's influence (especially Interstellar Overdrive, A Saucerful of Secrets and Careful With That Axe Eugene).
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"The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time."
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Chelsea
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 16:02 | ||
I remember reading that Revolver and especially "Tomorrow Never Knows" had a profound impact on Syd Barrett founder member of Pink Floyd. I think Nice and Pink Floyd should be on this poll.
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peskypesky
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 17:56 | ||
Where are the Monkees?
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:06 | ||
Could you please count The Beach Boys (releasing the great album Pet Sounds) in?
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CPicard
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Posted: December 16 2008 at 13:20 | ||
Backing Zappa and Captain Beefheart on an unreleased demo back in '65? |
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J-Man
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 19:18 | ||
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 19:31 | ||
I was just being argumentative.. however, the Beatles didn't "build" prog at all nor many of the bands in the poll; the Doors, Iron Butterfly? ..these were rock bands with a unique style, not protoprogressive as it relates to the British prog era.. sure the Beatles influence is clear in early Prog but they weren't 'the most important band in building prog' , they were the most important in building pop
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J-Man
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 19:47 | ||
Nowhere to be seen on a prog site.
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J-Man
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 19:50 | ||
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Abrawang
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Posted: December 18 2008 at 22:25 | ||
Time to close the poll? The Beatles have an insurmountable lead.
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Casting doubt on all I have to say...
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Chelsea
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Posted: December 19 2008 at 12:59 | ||
I argue the Beatles were to Progressive rock like they were to the Byrds and folk rock and jangle pop and to Power Pop to bands like Cheap Trick and Badfinger. The Doors were actually influenced by Sgt Pepper it actually states it on the Doors 40th anniversary liner notes. According to original engineer Bruce Botnick in the liner notes, he and the band listened to a monaural acetate reference disc of The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's before it was released and were awestruck by it. That album opened up the possibilities of what a studio can do, and inspired them. I really think if tracks like "Tomorrow Never Knows", or ”A Day in the Life" were released by someone other than the Beatles some would say these are the cornerstones of Progressive Rock. The Beach Boys or The Doors were not recording anything remotely close to this. The Beatles were just not a pop band. Zappa is far from the first to use a classical music influenced song in Rock Music. I think "Yesterday" and "For No One" is before Zappa. |
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J-Man
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Posted: December 19 2008 at 14:42 | ||
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CPicard
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Posted: December 19 2008 at 16:40 | ||
Jerry Lee Lewis with "Roll Over Beethoven"? |
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Atavachron
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Posted: December 19 2008 at 16:44 | ||
the musicians themselves; no one seems to consider the possibility that the first true prog artists - Brian Wilson, Emerson, Zappa, Fripp, Bo Hansson, McLaughlin, etc. - were taking from their own background and experiences, using the classical, jazz and traditional training they'd had and applying it to modern rock/psych ..it is possible these guys did not simply say "Hey, them Beatles are cool, they're usin that there classical music and stuff", but rather that their inspiration came from somewhere other than the dazed and confused sounds of psych and pop rock. It's true the Psych scene did foster Prog in England and Europe - the conditions were right - but it was less a musical impact and more a cultural and marketing one.. to assume that the Doors, Beatles, Iron Butterfly and a few other 60s pop groups was the reason Prog developed is highly dubious. The time was right, the proper musicians had arrived, and the world was ready. If the Beatles and Doors had never existed, I wager we still would've had Prog. |
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Chelsea
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Posted: December 19 2008 at 17:55 | ||
Robert Fripp on hearing the Beatles Sgt Pepper
Robert Fripp- When I was 20, I worked at a hotel in a dance orchestra, playing weddings, bar-mitzvahs, dancing, cabaret. I drove home and I was also at college at the time. Then I put on the radio (Radio Luxemburg) and I heard this music. It was terrifying. I had no idea what it was. Then it kept going. Then there was this enormous whine note of strings. Then there was this colossal piano chord. I discovered later that I'd come in half-way through Sgt. Pepper, played continuously. My life was never the same again. Pepper was influenced by Pet sounds, but Pet sounds was influenced from Rubber Soul. Wilson's Smile
which was scrapped because of "Strawberry Fields Forever'. Sure other artists experimented but the Beatles were the ones who fueled the psychedelic era to the point where it was the status quo of the 60's-which is when the Stones copied them.
They sucessfully incorporated traditional Indian music harmony and Avant-garde techniques used by classical musicians, such as the use of distorted tapes in studios to create new sounds as heard on "Tomorrow Never Knows" and "Love You To". In 'Eleanor Rigby', they used a quasi-Baroque string orchestration. Remember these were the Beatles ideas not George Martin ideas. They were also mixing pop and classical techniques, and cross-fertilising them with Indian, and electronic music on tracks like "Strawberry Fields Forever".
"If the Beatles and Doors had never existed, I wager we still would've had Prog"
That's sort of revisionist history thinking. That's like saying if it was not the Beatles then the Stones would have started the British Invasion. We will never know so give credit where credit is due. Edited by Chelsea - December 19 2008 at 17:58 |
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