Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Prog Music Lounge
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - How can metal be prog?
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedHow can metal be prog?

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345 15>
Author
Message
rogerthat View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: September 03 2006
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 9869
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 05:16
Originally posted by Jim Garten Jim Garten wrote:

Personally, I find if a thread puts forward an argument or debate to which I can find nothing positive to contribute, it can be better all round for me to abstain from posting, as opposed to inserting randomly negative comments which serve no other purpose than to wind up those who may want to discuss the subject concerned.


Amen. Don't feed the troll.
Back to Top
The Quiet One View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: January 16 2008
Location: Argentina
Status: Offline
Points: 15745
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 06:40
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by Walker Walker wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

1.  Obtain a copy of Dream Theater - Images & Words
2.  Listen to it.
3.  Report back.
 
Dream theatre are like Bonjovi meets Gentle Giant. You won't get much enjoyment from that apart from complexity Tongue


If you don't find prog in that album, I don't think there's much more that can be discussed.
 
it's prog with alot of non prog elements. Doesn't really do anything for me
 
You just admitted they are prog... you answered your own question... enough said
 
 
partly prog but not prog enough for me Big smile


You could have said that at the begining of the thread man! That's really a matter of taste, oh and BTW, you said it again, THEY'RE PROG just in these words "partly prog". Just enjoy the music man, if you don't enjoy because they're not "Prog enough" for you, then I think you're having a problem(no offense) with your taste.
I'm a newbie on Prog Metal, but I can assure you all this what I have just said. I have Images & Words and Octavarium. I really can't think of something Proggier than Learning to Live, I mean, for a metal(Prog) band I wouldn't expect that type of thing, and it's not just related because "ok there's odd time sig" or "ohh look moog!", no man, you got a 11 minute mini-epic with a lot of diversity, the same for Take the Time and Metropolis Pt 1.

To conclude, I just want to remark your "not prog enough for me", that says it all, and really changes the topic/subject completely.

Just my 2 cents.
Back to Top
Rocktopus View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 02 2006
Location: Norway
Status: Offline
Points: 4202
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 06:58
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

1.  Obtain a copy of Dream Theater - Images & Words
2.  Listen to it.
3.  Report back.
 
Dream theatre are like Bonjovi meets Gentle Giant. You won't get much enjoyment from that apart from complexity Tongue


An absolutely absurd statement.



I agree. its far to generous. How bout Nitro meets Rush?

And guys: Lacking knowledge is not the same as being a troll.

Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

 
lol. Melodies are what makes the best music. Music isn't about trends. That's why you move from band to band quickly because they can't write melodies which will keep you interested for more than a couple of listens.


Mistaking personal preferances for universal laws is both ignorant an stupid.

Btw: I can't stand any of the bands I've heard in the progmetal section.
Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Back to Top
rogerthat View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: September 03 2006
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 9869
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 07:56
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


And guys: Lacking knowledge is not the same as being a troll.



Yes but in terms of usefulness of the thread, it is practically the same thing, worse in fact because this guy believes in what he is posting and can't be talked out of his joke which you could with a troll.
Back to Top
mrcozdude View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: July 25 2007
Location: Devon,UK.
Status: Offline
Points: 2078
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 08:17
[
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

 
Dream theatre are like Bonjovi meets Gentle Giant. You won't get much enjoyment from that apart from complexity Tongue




I'm sorry but i found that quite funny.

Back to Top
Visitor13 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member

VIP Member

Joined: February 02 2005
Location: Poland
Status: Offline
Points: 4702
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 09:57
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

Let's get this out of the way right now: melodies belong in the NINETEENTH CENTURY, and I highly disapprove of anyone using them, much less prog.

Otherwise, an '07 troll with 182 posts, interesting.


Actually that settles the debate quite nicely. If you really want melody, you listen to classical.
Back to Top
ProgBagel View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer


Joined: May 13 2007
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2819
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:27
Did mommy yell at you today?
Back to Top
el böthy View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: April 27 2005
Location: Argentina
Status: Offline
Points: 6336
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:52
Oh, the ignorance...
"You want me to play what, Robert?"
Back to Top
DavetheSlave View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 23 2007
Location: South Africa
Status: Offline
Points: 492
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:06
Holy Cow- Now we gotta endure music with no melody. No wonder Stratovarius will never make it onto Progarchives.
Dream Theater are full of melody and they have been my favorite band for about 5 years.
 
Anyone tell me Dream Theater aint prog - like them or not - is better off listening to the top 40 on MTV.
Back to Top
Equality 7-2521 View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Philly
Status: Offline
Points: 15784
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:12
Originally posted by PROGMONSTER2008 PROGMONSTER2008 wrote:

 
Your signature pic is completely Non Prog


Any you say nothing good will come out of this thread how?
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
Back to Top
Trademark View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: November 21 2006
Location: oHIo
Status: Offline
Points: 1009
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:59
I'll get right to work on the DT/GG mash up.  This is gonna be FUN!

Back to Top
DavetheSlave View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: May 23 2007
Location: South Africa
Status: Offline
Points: 492
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:05
I'm in the left corner with the Dream Theater gloves on!!!
Back to Top
rushfan4 View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: May 22 2007
Location: Michigan, U.S.
Status: Offline
Points: 66262
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:15

Is 21st Century Schizoid Man a prog song?  If your answer is yes, than that is the answer to your question.

Back to Top
infandous View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: March 23 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 2447
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 14:08
Quote

Mistaking personal preferances for universal laws is both ignorant an stupid.




This pretty much sums up this threads topic and creator from what I've read here.





Edited by infandous - December 08 2008 at 14:09
Back to Top
timothy leary View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: December 29 2005
Location: Lilliwaup, Wa.
Status: Offline
Points: 5319
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 16:05
and that concludes the chapter on how metal can be  prog
Back to Top
debrewguy View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 30 2007
Location: Canada
Status: Offline
Points: 3596
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 16:44
I thought the T's original thread had smothered the thought that metal, let alone most musical genres, could not include acts & albums that are prog.
But what do I know, I'm just listening to Rush - Hemispheres, and reading some old issues of Kerrang where they're reviewing Moving Pictures Big smile
"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
Back to Top
The T View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: October 16 2006
Location: FL, USA
Status: Offline
Points: 17493
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 17:56
I was looking at my shelves a few seconds ago and it so happened that I detected a small particle of that nuissance we humans call dust. Then I decided to clean it but my first reaction was actually to go and get some orange juice which of course is not enough under today's standards to give me all the intake of Vitamin C I need to survive. Therefore, in all fairness, it's clear that the connection is totally intrinsecal and henceforth probable. All that has to be done is look at the fact, read them, calculate them, then extrapolate a frame of information and all you'll ever get is enough evidence to support your argument, which is completely out of proportion, since it's clear that both side A and side B have incongruences that need to be addressed, while side C of a triangle usually brings about peace and rest. Therefore, I announce that I have accepted the inclusion of said master in our database, and my only reason behind doing it is the fact that i f**king want to do it, ok???  
Back to Top
Slartibartfast View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator / In Memoriam

Joined: April 29 2006
Location: Atlantais
Status: Offline
Points: 29630
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 18:01
Oh this one's so easy to answer and I'm really not a metal fan.  Metal can be prog by being prog, simple as that, and it doesn't really matter much after that. LOL
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

Back to Top
Ivan_Melgar_M View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19535
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 18:16
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Oh this one's so easy to answer and I'm really not a metal fan.  Metal can be prog by being prog, simple as that, and it doesn't really matter much after that. LOL
 
ClapClapClap
 
Iván
            
Back to Top
AlexUC View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: June 06 2007
Location: Noveria
Status: Offline
Points: 392
Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2008 at 19:43
Ow come'on guys how can you take this guy seriously, can't you see he's just trolling?

"DT is like Bon Jovi meets GG" LOLLOLLOL the most ridiculous phrase of the year... Please another one!!!??? I know you can exceed this one!! Tongue
This is not my beautiful house...
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  <12345 15>

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.229 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.