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Points: 19557 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 03 2008 at 23:15
Originally posted by Yorkie X Yorkie X wrote:

To say that Ringo got a free ride would be cruel  ...  wait a minute nobody said that , we are such a compassionate lot.  Approve
 
But he was the luckiest man in the world, being a good/average drummer, he got the chance to join The Beatkles, where any drummer would had been millionare and famous.
 
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As he said.
 
He is the best drummer. He played in the best band with the best musicians, singers and song writers!!!Wink
 
Can you really imagine Palmer, Peart, Bruford or ...playing in Beatles???LOL


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... The frantic drumming at "Tommorow never knows"

... The great toms work at "Ticket to ride"...

... The very "driven" drumming, featuring  cymbals and bells ay  "Drive my car"...

ablsolutly supported by an average, garage drummer...

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Consistently underrated, consistently brilliant, immaculate timekeeper, totally unique style, most original fills of all time (just listen to A Day in the Life - perfection!), incredible dynamics (see Come Together), just all round indispensible top rate drummer.
 
"... the most technically gifted session drummer in the world would never have come up with those tom fills on A Day in the Life" - Phil Collins on The Making of Sgt Pepper.
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I like Ringo! And don't forget that he played the role of Frank Zappa in 200 Motels! As a drummer he's Ringo! 
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr_FcLBg2us

As much as I'd like to state otherwise, he isn't much of a drummer.


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Originally posted by BroSpence BroSpence wrote:

He's a good drummer and always played something cool and complimentary to the rest of the music.  I find his singing voice to be quite charming too. I find it funny that some of the talk against Mr. Starr is based on speculation.  Is that how ability is decided now?  

Whats all this talk about "good for the 60s"?  What does that even mean?


I meant for The Beatles, sorry.
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The Beatles were a 60's pop band and the musicians were average. Catchy song writing and the ability to harmonise was the Beatles strength. Ringo as a drummer was surpassed by just about everyone else in the music scene at the time. I wouldn't mention him at the same table as I would discuss Keith Moon, John Bonham, or many other drummers who were pioneering the work done today by the likes of Portnoy etc.
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Originally posted by slaver slaver wrote:

The Beatles were a 60's pop band and the musicians were average. Catchy song writing and the ability to harmonise was the Beatles strength. Ringo as a drummer was surpassed by just about everyone else in the music scene at the time. I wouldn't mention him at the same table as I would discuss Keith Moon, John Bonham, or many other drummers who were pioneering the work done today by the likes of Portnoy etc.
 
Good point about Mr Moon. What would the very very Beatles-ish The Kids Are Alright have been like with Mr Starkey on drums? Not quite so good, I feel. What if Mr Starkey had done the Kenny Jones solo on Stewart's Losing You (live or studio). Shambolic as the Faces might have appeared, I'd go for KJ every time. Then there's Ian Paice, Bonham, even Micky Waller. As you say, not the right table for that discussion!
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Originally posted by Jaja Macca Jaja Macca wrote:

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You might want to change your profile then, it's says "female".LOL

Anyway, I have heard Phil Collins commend the drumming of Mr Starr. He is a good timekeeper and, despite what Lennon says, he is a better drummer than Macca.
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Ringo was the ultimate timekeeper, a category of drummer whose talent was measured in his ability to simply keep a steady beat and provide the rhythmic glue which adhered the band in the pocket. A timekeeper more often than not  wasn't an innovator, nor did he have monster chops. Because of these shortcomings, a timekeeper typically didn't get much session work, but he instead found himself an indispensable member of a successful band. This is of course Ringo Starr, but this is also Charlie Watts, Mick Fleetwood, Kenny Jones, Phil Rudd, and Dave Brown. No one will ever mistake them for the likes of Bill Bruford, Terry Bozzio, or Neil Peart, but to the millions who have ever listened to and loved the music of the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, Fleetwood Mac, Faces, AC/DC, and the Cars, their abilities cannot be overstated.

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Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Jaja Macca Jaja Macca wrote:

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You might want to change your profile then, it's says "female".LOL

Anyway, I have heard Phil Collins commend the drumming of Mr Starr. He is a good timekeeper and, despite what Lennon says, he is a better drummer than Macca.
 
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Like Chopper mentioned, when a drummer as proficient as Phil Collins says Ringo played fills that no other stickman would have come up with it means that Mr. Starr deserves the respect that most drummers give him.  A great drummer is one who can play almost any kind of rhythm and there's no question that Ringo was a master at doing just that.  Keep in mind that when he was playing syncopated stuff like he does on "Ticket to Ride" progressive rock didn't even exist.
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Originally posted by Chicapah Chicapah wrote:

Like Chopper mentioned, when a drummer as proficient as Phil Collins says Ringo played fills that no other stickman would have come up with it means that Mr. Starr deserves the respect that most drummers give him.  A great drummer is one who can play almost any kind of rhythm and there's no question that Ringo was a master at doing just that.  Keep in mind that when he was playing syncopated stuff like he does on "Ticket to Ride" progressive rock didn't even exist.
 
Sometimes I get stick (no pun intended) for agreeing with people in these forums but I'll acknowledge your point is correct. I guess I'm biased 'cos I loved Who/Faces/Kinks/Stones more than I ever did the Beatles. I'm not a drummer anyway - so what do I really know?
 
I'm sure that, unlike Ringo, I'm still happy to hand out my autograph. I never really foregave him for his Thomas the Tank Engine voiceovers anywayWink
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Originally posted by Vibrationbaby Vibrationbaby wrote:

At his best he played at the level of a good teenage garage band drummer. Sometimes not even as good. He would be lost if confronted with anything in say, 11/8 time.
 
 

The Beatles were one of the first rock bands to experiment with mixed meters. Like their use off odd chord progression they also messed with outside convention of time signatures 4/4. Ringo was responsible for this.

 

 "Here Comes the Sun", by The Beatles. The bridge is in 11/8 + 4/4 + 7/8

"Good Morning Good Morning" Time signature


The song, which is played at 117 beats per minute, has an unusual time signature in that 5/4 alternates with 4/4. For transition between 5/4 and 4/4 beat, 3/4 is used.

There are a total of 64 bars, which can be grouped in seven groups with three, unique bar sequences: A, B, C, B, C, B, A, which is symmetrical relative to the middle B part (disregarding the last, fadeout bar).

 

"Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds," metric modulation asymmetrical patterns

 

"Happiness is a Warm Gun" contains both Balkan rhythm and Polyrhythm in its four part song.  Very progressive and Radiohead "Paranoid Android" is based on this.

 

“We Can Work it Out" has has changing time signatures.  On Revolver there are more than few examples of this.

 
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Points: 3834 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 04 2008 at 16:49
As a songwriter, he's excellent. As a drummer, however, I think he's dire, sorry.
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Originally posted by kibble_alex kibble_alex wrote:

As a songwriter, he's excellent. As a drummer, however, I think he's dire, sorry.
 
 

 

 

 I have heard many drummers screw up his parts. That super group Dirty Mac drummer screwed up on "Yer Blues" because of the time changes in that song. No one seems to get Ringo drum part on "Come Together" right.  His drum solo on "Long Tall Sally" foreshadows Keith Moon by a year. Sorry much of Power Pop style of drumming can be traced to his early work like "Any Time at All" or the power drumming of "She Loves You" and "Slow Down".  He is not the best technical drummer but he was very influential.

 
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In all the thousands of hours the Beatles spent in the studio, only seven takes were ever abandoned because Ringo made a mistake. He may not have been in the same class as Keith Moon or Ginger Baker, but he was able to adapt to the ever shifting songwriting styles of his bandmates and he was hugely influential. Besides, do you seriously think that Lennon (who didn't suffer fools gladly) and McCartney (a driven perfectionist in the studio and onstage) would have put up with a substandard drummer for 7 years?
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