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J-Man 
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 Topic: Ringo Starr as a drummer
Posted: December 03 2008 at 17:54 |
Okay, I've heard every side of the story...
"Ringo's underrated he has great rythm!!"
"He's overrated, he's not technical!!"
"He's okay."
But what do progheads think??
I personally think he is good for the 60's, but still isn't great or anything.
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Bern
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 17:57 |
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He's not technical or complex. Most drummers could play what he played.
But then again? Who says you need complexity?
He kept rythmn and is named Ringo. I couldn't ask for more.
And I personnally think he has some good songwriting skills.
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sean
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 17:58 |
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I'm not familiar enough with the Beatles to provide the best informed judgement, but from what I've heard I'd say he's alright. Certainly not overly technically gifted, but he could do his job and keep a rhythm.
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J-Man
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 18:03 |
 Bern wrote:
He's not technical or complex. Most drummers could play what he played.
But then again? Who says you need complexity?
He kept rythmn and is named Ringo. I couldn't ask for more.
And I personnally think he has some good songwriting skills.
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I completely agree: not technical at all, but was good rythmically. But a good songwriter??
("No, no I don't smoke it no more...". yuck.)
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DamoXt7942
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 18:06 |
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I consider Ringo had a definite role of a buffer or a shock absorber in Beatles, and he was a drummer.
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Bern
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 18:06 |
Well I was thinking about Beatles' songs like Octopus' Garden or solo songs like It don't come easy or You're sixteen (you're beautiful and you're mine). He has a great voice too. Check out With a Little Help from my Friends.
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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J-Man
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 18:12 |
Bern wrote:
Well I was thinking about Beatles' songs like Octopus' Garden or solo songs like It don't come easy or You're sixteen (you're beautiful and you're mine).
He has a great voice too. Check out With a Little Help from my Friends.
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Oh good; as long as you weren't thinking of The No No Song I'm happy!!!
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zappaholic
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 19:40 |
A sturdy and reliable timekeeper. Not very ambitious, but he didn't need to be.
I put him, Charlie Watts and Kenny Aronoff in the same category. No frills, and steady as a rock.
Edited by zappaholic - December 03 2008 at 19:42
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 19:46 |
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Yeah, he was good for the 60's and for The Beatles. He's no virtuoso on the instrument, but he can pull off some good rythm and have some quite good rocking stuff as in The End on Abbey Road which I LOVE his drumming there.
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 19:49 |
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Lol, wrong forum.
Ehhh, he's okay I guess.
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ziggystardust360
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 19:53 |
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Ringo as a drummer never really stood out for me.I found his drumming boring.
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jammun
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 20:47 |
I still remember Ringo playing those bongos in A Hard Days Night movie -- what was the song, And I Love Her?. What more do ya want from a drummer?
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topofsm
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 21:05 |
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I definetely think he's great, especially for a band like the Beatles. His fills are very subtle, and most other drummers would show off. But listen to his drumming specifically and you'll find some moderately difficult drumming, but it fits the song so well, so that the fills really do compliment the music.
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 21:09 |
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meh. nothing special, never stood out in the music. actually, for me sometimes the extremely basic nature of the drumming gets annoying. he never tried anything exciting which is a shame.
i think he's ok, solid i guess for the times, but even then there were MUCH better drummers.
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peskypesky
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 21:47 |
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great drummer, but not flashy or technical. he was powerful when necessary, and delicate when necessary and he always had a great touch. sure, he wasn't flashy or showy or complex in any way, but he was the perfect rhythmic base for the Beatles to build their masterpieces on.
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rileydog22
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 22:06 |
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I find it interesting that most arguments that support Ringo do little to distinguish his abilities from those of a metronome.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 22:17 |
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At his best he played at the level of a good teenage garage band drummer. Sometimes not even as good. He would be lost if confronted with anything in say, 11/8 time.
Edited by Vibrationbaby - December 03 2008 at 22:20
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mrcozdude
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 22:38 |
"Ringo wasn't even the best drummer in the band" lol
I'd say a good drummer,he did was needed for the songs.Having a complex drummer in the band probaly would of resulted in The Beatles being in a very different lime light to which we know now.Weather he was capable is a different matter.
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BroSpence
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 22:49 |
He's a good drummer and always played something cool and complimentary to the rest of the music. I find his singing voice to be quite charming too. I find it funny that some of the talk against Mr. Starr is based on speculation. Is that how ability is decided now?
Whats all this talk about "good for the 60s"? What does that even mean?
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Yorkie X
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Posted: December 03 2008 at 22:58 |
To say that Ringo got a free ride would be cruel ... wait a minute nobody said that , we are such a compassionate lot. 
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