Stratovarius

Metallica has a lot of a  prog traits and is a lot closer to a prog metal band than Stratovarious.
Stratovarious is just pure power metal, that simple.

slaver wrote: I do not agree with you and am entitled to disagree - Magnum are power metal. I can play each and every Metallica track note for note on a guitar and I'm not much of a guitarist. They are a pop metal band who have made 1 good pop metal album and a lot of junk as well. Their music is simplistic to the extreme.

given the choice between simplistic and arrogant, I'd always choose simplistic. But - if Metallica are simplistic, then what about Manowar?

slaver wrote: Elements by Stratovarius eats Metallica for musicianship, songwriting, and anything else you care to mention and so does any other track that they've ever done. Please just do me a favor and listen to a Stratovarius album outside of the first three.

Songwriting? Sorry, but I think that that's one of the most important elements of music - and Stratovarius aren't exactly good at it. Sure, it's just my opinion, but I think that Metallica  run circles around Stratovarious in many ways, including songwriting.

I just wonder why people have to resort to threats or slurs in order to get what they want. OK,  I can understand being disappointed because a favourite band of yours is not in the DB (which doesn't really affect their musical quality or your enjoyment), but I have some trouble in coming to terms with a 'rebellious act'. In my view, if one isn't satisfied with something, they should just let it be, and find something more satisfactory - instead of trying to force their views on others, or implying all sorts of negative things. If people don't want to access PA because Stratovarius are not here, so be it - thank heavens this is still a free world, and the Internet is full of sites that may appeal more to them. 

slaver wrote: I do not agree with you and am entitled to disagree - Magnum are power metal. I can play each and every Metallica track note for note on a guitar and I'm not much of a guitarist. They are a pop metal band who have made 1 good pop metal album and a lot of junk as well. Their music is simplistic to the extreme. Elements by Stratovarius eats Metallica for musicianship, songwriting, and anything else you care to mention and so does any other track that they've ever done. Please just do me a favor and listen to a Stratovarius album outside of the first three.

Okay, so I've heard a lot of Stratovarius, including "outside of the first 3".
Sounds like a power metal band through and through.
They were rejected by 3 members of the prog metal team (including myself) and I imagine if the other 2 members of the team vote, they will reject it too.
They were also further rejected by another 6 collabs.
By the time a band has been rejected by 9 collabs (6 of which aren't even on the Prog Metal Team, of which I know at least 4 of them were former PMT members and thus, are not even obligated to vote), I think a band's prog credentials are highly questionable.
The band has no chance of making it into a prog genre.
As for prog related, you could try, but don't get your hopes up


By the time someone calls Metallica a "pop metal band" and says they can play all their songs note for note despite not being "much of a guitarist", it's honestly hard to take an opinion like that seriously at all.
It may not be technical by the standards of today's Technical Death Metal (for example), but it still requires some amount of musicianship to play.
You can hear only their influence all over Images and Words, but in fact, actual elements of prog metal that Metallica helped to create.

As for "rebellion by not showing up to PA", well it's hardly rebellion, since well, we didn't even know you were rebelling in the first place.
Where as someone here that actually makes their voice heard is actually able to rebel.

I liken it to someone who constantly complains about things they don't like about their government, policies/laws etc, but just sits at home apathetically and does nothing about it.
On the other hand, we have Nelson Mandela (to use an example you will be familiar with) who put his voice out, got people's attention and wide spread support and was ACTIVELY involved in his cause.
He ended up President of the RSA for his efforts.
That's certainly a lot more than you can say about someone that never bothered to show up, never bothered to actually voice their opinion and just shied away from actually doing anything.

Well, you made the first step at least I guess of making yourself heard.

And just for a bit of trivia, my ex-girlfriend was originally from Johannesburg, hehe.




Edited by HughesJB4 - December 04 2008 at 01:55

Rushfan 4 - Thank you. Hi Mr Progfreak - isn't the very basis of prog music the fact that it is more complex than mainstream pop music. Aren't we proud of the fact that a man like John Petrucci can play his instrument in a way that no pop musician can. Why do we call it instrument w**king when a musician proves what he is capable of? Isn't that what makes us different from the "pop" crowd. I say again, I can play each and every Metallica track on my guitar note for note. I cannot play a lot of Stratovarius's music because I'm not good enough. They have differing beat structures throughout their tracks, they use a lot of Symphonic instrumentation. The keyboard and guitar work within Stratovarius at times borders on stunning. A number of their tracks are long and multi - layered. Again please do me a favor and listen to them.  

 

Hi Mr Progfreak - I love Magnum's music and I have every one of their albums - they aren't even Power Metal - they border on Power Pop. They made one prog album and that was purely because of the track "Don't wake the lion".

Can you play the guitar - if you can then try to emulate Metallica - it is suprisingly easy. Try to emulate Stratovarius's track called Stratovarius.

HughesJB4 - I accept your argument although why were so few given the ability to vote for so many? I remember a past Stratovarius argument that got very heated on this site.

 

Hi Mr Progfreak - I agree with you regarding Manowar - Metallica's music is however not more difficult to play than AC/DC or Motorhead - the opposite is true. I have one AC/DC album and none of the other two's in my collection although over time I have owned and gotten rid of a few. Just don't like them much.

 

Hi HughesJB4, please just go and listen to Stratovarius again - it's not simply the guitar work - it's the rest of the instrumentation as well, it's the changing and complex rythm structures within the tracks, it's the Keyboard work which is undeniably brilliant. I enjoy Kamelot's music but why are they here when Stratovarius isn't?

 

By the way I think that Dream Theater is the essence of  Prog Metal today and I love each and every one of their albums other than the "Made in Japan" copy which was abyssimal. The original by Deep Purple remains a rock classic.

Should have said the Thrash metal style far better than Metallica ever could - sorry.