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How many festives, VB ? 
"Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case.
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TAAB isn't that popular on this site?  It's #2!!
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Only once.
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Are you sure this occurs only once a year?


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There's more where they came from. I'm in a festive mood.
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Okay, Vibrationbaby told us in advance about this Special Reviewing day of his, but that doesn't make me any happier reading his input on TAAB, Relayer, ITCOTCK and Machine Head. Confused

(Nothing against you, Ian, just wondering: what's up with these?)
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Thanks David...I hope that the addition of some of these more progressive folky artists will help give them exposure to a different audience and even turn some prog fans onto all manner of ethnic music, progressive or not.
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frankly Ken I don't see anything wrong about that paragraph in the slightest, not a damn thing, sounds like the poster has some ax to grind  ..looks to me like you gave an honest and knowledgeable view, and a very well-written one too


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hi, ken here.  I was not meaning to say that Horslips and Alan Stivell went downhill after their first albums.  I enjoy a lot of the later stuff from both artists.  What I was trying to say was, at that point in time (early 70s), both of those artists were revolutionary in their blend of the traditional and modern in celtic music  - they virtually invented celtic rock.  In Horslips case, I was saying that they never really produced another album similar to that debut.  All you have to do is check out my other Horslips reviews to see that I quite enjoyed some of the subsequent albums...likewise for Stivell.  
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ABOUT HORSLIPS AND ALAN STIVELL
 
Kenneth Levine has done this review about Happy to meet-sorry to part.
 
Here the last part of it:Embarrassed:
 
(While Horslips reached several career pinnacles after this debut, it is curious that they never really followed the formula proposed herein, which had perhaps only been so effectively implemented by early Alan Stivell albums. "Happy to Meet...Sorry to Part" simply glows with ethnic authenticity and a progressive sheen from a band happily occupying several musical worlds, whom you should meet and from whom you might never part. 4.5 stars. ).
 
I really understand his point of view. But don't you think that in this case this Forum is a bit strange?Kevin gives the feeling to more or less blame Horslips and Alan Sivell to have left somehow the true Progressive-folk or Folk-rock to other experiments. He, of course, has the right to think so as much as these musicians have the right to feel free to go everywhere they want.
Here, most of the people are not Folk-rock fans and might rather love the other sides of these musicians (if they were well informed about them). Isn't it?
And the problem and pity is that they don't go to them as they are afraid that these artists should be too much "Folk-rock"!
Perhaps shoud they go to www.alan-stivell.com or Myspace/alanstivell and have a listen to one of his 22 albums (by the way, they have not any linear way, difficult to say "the earlier albums" opposite to the "last ones").
 
Best wishes for Christmas!
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I find that all reviews should be kept on, as long as they're not uses as a vehicle for some form of propaganda, and I haven't come across that here yet.
 
OK, so some reviewers have slight difficulties with the language and read as though they've gone through Babel Fish, but they get their points across and I'm thankful for every single one, because they've sicced me onto many great artists in the past.
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Just reading the guidelines and responding to what I read.  I don't like certain music as well, but I like to back up WHY I don't like it.  I don't see how the review will benefit anyone.  And tim-tam-tum is a word I've never heard before.  Words like muchos gracias and the other ones you stated are phrases that most native English speakers know.  Tim-tam-tum, I can't even find it in an English context on the internet.

Just got angry and a little carried away.  If it can't be removed it can't be removed.  It's actually a really funny review now that I think about it, lol.  Maybe it's best kept up.  Smile
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Well its not a great review certainly, but I understood most of it just fine.  People are allowed not to like stuff that they don't like.  Most importantly, I believe his feeling about the album is sincere and not a "gotcha" review from someone simply trying to lower a rating score.  Despite it's shortcomings, I don't think there's enough wrong with it to warrant removal. 

If you remove that one, there's a whole lot more out there that should go for being less than ideal. 

Also, look at his other reviews.  All sincere yet all with the same language issues making them slightly harder to understand.  Do you remove all of his reviews then?      Just because you don't like this one??


Edited by Finnforest - November 30 2008 at 09:21
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Hi Horticulture 52 and welcome to PA. I read the review, it is not one of the best, and the English is a bit 'broken', but overall I think he stated his case against the album as best he could and I could not find any flagrant violation of PA rules. Using phrases and words from other languages is common on here, for instance: 'no problemo', 'muchos gracias', 'danke schon' etc, these are common phrases that people all over the world recognize.

I agree that the sentence about the flute and vocals is a bit confusing, but it does not affect the overall outcome of his review. Also, I think using Rush as a reference on a prog-rock site is legit. If someone doesn't know Rush, then they should start from the very beginning, maybe The Nice or King Crimson, ha ha.

Edited by Easy Money - November 30 2008 at 09:11
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I'd like to post a response to Grobsch's (aka Flavio's) review of Edensong's album the Fruit Fallen.

http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=191095

I think the review should be removed for the following reasons:

1) It goes against guideline # 1 in it's use of English.  The English is very broken and the places where the reviewer doesn't seem to be using an online translator fails to back up concrete reasons why they dislike the album.  Also, the reviewer has used a phrase I wouldn't consider English to describe the band.  That phrase is "tim-tam-tum."  This can not be found in the dictionary and even if if looked up online can only be found on sites in Italian and Portugese.  The reviewer is from Brazil, go figure.  Also, when the reviewer tries to back up his/her reasons, the English is incomprehensible.  the reviewer says:

Most people forgot what was progressive in the past. Just add a flute behind the vocalist - which cannot stop to sing a second - please stop to sing!!

What does this mean?  That a singer should stop to sing for a little when a flute is playing in the background or that the flute shouldn't be playing when a singer is singing?!?!  Does adding a flute while the vocalist sings make it progressive rock of the past or is it the opposite? This is completely incoherent.  I'm thoroughly confused.

2)  It goes against guideline #4.  It is not intelligent and not considerate because it fails to back up why the album is "annoying," refers to the album as a "practical joke," with no basis for why, and continues to compare the album in levels of annoyingness.  Here is one example.  The reviewer states:

The second song is called The Baptism and its as annoying as the first one.

This is the only remark the reviewer has about the song Baptism.  When the reviewer described the "first one," comments like, "Neo Pop Annoying Prog with Rush resemblances and other instruments like flute,"were made and do not help reviewers understand the piece.  What does "neo pop annoying prog," mean, and how does it resemble Rush?  What if the reader doesn't know Rush.  The Rush resemblance should be described.  Then the reviewer comments on the 4th song saying, 

" When I reached the fourth song, The Prayer, even though is less annoying but still far from being a good song, I was almost giving up. I started to think I got the wrong album. Perhaps it was a pratical joke somene did to me."

The reviewer has yet again clung to the annoying level comparative strategy, claims it's far from being a good song without basis, and tops it off with lines that reference listening to the wrong album or it being a practical joke.  I'm sorry, that's just terrible commentary.

3) Lastly, this review goes against guideline's 5, 6, and 7. #5  Keep the review pertinent to the specific album concerned.  The reviewer says, "I miss Gentle Giant," randomly without making any comparison to Edensong.  #6 - This doesn't even benefit a reader who wouldn't like this album.  It is useless, as it makes general statements like ," The Sith Day, the sixty song, the same, just the same." (I guess referring to the same tim-tam-tum sound as the predecessor piece).  The reviewer should also check their English here as a reader might interpret this piece as a reference to Star Wars  (The Sith Day?) with a sixties style to it (sixty song?).  The song is called the Sixth Day and is the sixth song on the album.

Guidline #7- I doubt this review will make sense within five years today.  It doesn't even make sense now with all of the reasons I have stated.

I hope you consider my response and request to move this outrageous and incoherent review of Edensong's album the Fruit Fallen.  Thank you very much.
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Fair enough
 
i actually saw Zabriskie Point yesterday on cable and what a mess of a movie it is! The only good thing about it was Pink Floyds music - the opening credits and the explosive finale which is actually 'Careful with that Axe Eugene' anyway
 
that song is one of the most chilling in the canon!
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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Good review - I personally do not like Pink Floyd's excursion into movie soundtracks
 
tho Zabriskie Point had some excellent ideas on the film soundtrack I guess.
Personally i love that album, it have very good songs for meWinkBig smile




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Originally posted by Ricochet Ricochet wrote:

Just saw this in the RRT

Originally posted by nahnite nahnite wrote:

I, personally, don't think anyone should be allowed to tell other people what to rate a prog record.  We're all adults here, so we can make up our minds as to whether or not a disc gets a good rating.  Who cares if it was their first disc or not?
 
 


...right!

1. where does the reviewer tell people what [sic, probably how] to rate a prog rock record? (EDIT: oh, I guess the fragment "should not be too highly regarded" is in question here...)
2. if we agree on each person rating the album according to their liking, where did the reviewer go wrong? Isn't his negative review of the album "his own view"?

Confused

(Hugues should be instead sanctioned for early under-50 words reviews. You fixed your IQ mini-rants yet, Hugues? Tongue)
i do not see anything wrong with the opinion of Hugues., if he do not like the album i respect his opinion but i do not agree with him.




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Just saw this in the RRT

Originally posted by nahnite nahnite wrote:

I, personally, don't think anyone should be allowed to tell other people what to rate a prog record.  We're all adults here, so we can make up our minds as to whether or not a disc gets a good rating.  Who cares if it was their first disc or not?
 
 


...right!

1. where does the reviewer tell people what [sic, probably how] to rate a prog rock record? (EDIT: oh, I guess the fragment "should not be too highly regarded" is in question here...)
2. if we agree on each person rating the album according to their liking, where did the reviewer go wrong? Isn't his negative review of the album "his own view"?

Confused

(Hugues should be instead sanctioned for early under-50 words reviews. You fixed your IQ mini-rants yet, Hugues? Tongue)


Edited by Ricochet - November 19 2008 at 10:52
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Good review - I personally do not like Pink Floyd's excursion into movie soundtracks
 
tho Zabriskie Point had some excellent ideas on the film soundtrack I guess.
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