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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 17:31
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Hey newbies....

If you're curious about Italian Prog and wondering where to start, I have updated my "Italian top 25 list" for your reference.  There were some substantial changes since the last list 8 months ago. 

These are my picks for the titles you need to discover what lies beyond Banco, Orme, and PFM.   Hope it helps someone.  Ciao! 

Click here for the list:  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47833
I like what I see in the number 1 slot, JimmyboyClap Which ones are new additions to the list?


Thanks dude. 
New ones are Giganti, Panna Fredda, Officina Meccanica, Samadhi, Paese Balocchi, Pholas Dactylus.  Also did some juggling of existing titles.  I think its a good buyers guide now, of course, picking the top 25 of anything is always wide open to raging debateLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 20:47
^ Yea, I know it sounds cliche, but 25 is a very small number for this music, especially since the "second tier" is soo consistent; you could make a list 50 or 100 deep and the album in 75th would be the same quality as the one in 30th.
 
I don't have any of the one's you just addedEmbarrassed, I realized that I could buy three Dylan albums for the price of one RPI albumLOL but I'll be on the lookout again before too long...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 20:48
Yeah, but Dylan doesn't do Italian Prog, does heLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 21:01

haha, no; but just about anything else...

 
Imagine Bobby trying to crank out "R.I.P"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 21:02
check out the page buddy, I been playing around a little tonight
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 21:06
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 24 2008 at 21:08

wow, looking really sharp.  I love the gatefolds! ...and you picked my favorite song from the album, that was the soundtrack to Ryan's autumn...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2008 at 03:18
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

...Said in a way that only Mandy is capable of.  I haven't heard the entire album yet in one sitting so I can't give much of an opinion, but it's clear that this isn't easy listening.  Seems like everyone calls it "difficult" or something like that.  Hopefully I'll be able to grab the mini-LP version soon...

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2008 at 08:14
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 25 2008 at 17:13
My last italian prog (in this case is an Avant Garde Prog) review is this:
 
Nichelodeon - Cinemanemico CD (album) cover

Cinemanemico

by NICHELODEON (RIO/Avant-Prog)

4 stars Thanks at Claudio Milano (and My Space) I received this CD. I must now admit that not knowing the genre proposed by Nichelodeon I abandoned listening to the CD after the first listen and I tried to understand listening to snippets. This is a big error.

Firstly, because 'Cinemanemico' is not an album of songs but a selection of musical performance to match video or performance art. Second because 'Cinemanemico' is a pure experience for the mind, a voyage in art. I would disturb the Impressionist painters. But I realized that I should trouble Giorgio De Chirico or Mark Kostabi!!! But when I began to understand something of this album I glimpsed things to me already known: first I could appreciate a good use of the 'Creative Solism' already appreciated in 'Venetia Et Anima' by Donella Del Monaco & Paolo Troncon; Opus Avantra Ensemble. Here the mix of drama accompanied by music, singing and various sounds is more complete, being 'Cinemanemico' a lot of OST for visual arts and performing arts. But if this is true I see also in certain sung parts and in some passages of piano, and in certain atmosphere, something of Banco Del Mutuo Soccorso.

Nichelodeon not have drums and bass and the music is based on piano and synths. This is important because it transforms even the most peaceful moments in something of Gothic. In fact I materializes visions of Gothic and Romanic cathedrals with all the symbols to decipher (and I think of all the relief that we do not say anything but that for the time man had a very specific meaning). But materializes me in the dark forests full of ferocious beasts... Medieval visions... From my subconscious!

Strikes me as in some passages and vocal music (in this moment I'm listening 'Designando Cattedrali Di Cellule pt II') I see a mix between Banco del Mutuo Soccorso and Opus Avantra. So I see in Nichelodeon continuity with the Italian Prog, thing very beautiful, for me. Unfortunately, while the singing and the music may also recall these bands, the recited parts I can not digest. They are not bad but on CD are a bit cold, because of the lack of performance part.

Finally I note (with pleasure) that this album is recorded live. And noting the difficulty of this music is really a note of merit.

In conclusion 'Cinemanemico' is a summary of 10 years of work. And the final result is sure great and great also because in the tradition of Italian Prog!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2008 at 21:56
Here's what Jim Finn has to sayClap
 
OFFICINA MECCANICA — La Follia Del Mimo Di Fuoco
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— First review of this album —

5 stars My idea of a masterpiece

Even though I have heard a substantial amount of Italian progressive rock this album was a revelation to me and such a pleasant surprise. I confess that I knew very little about Officina Meccanica prior to receiving their newly issued album but the album is now on my “favorites” list without question. Being firmly in the “challenging” camp of Italian bands they may take a while to fully appreciate. They can be abrasive and edgy but always in a good way and one that I found extremely satisfying as a progressive fan. They will appeal to those whose tastes veer more towards the strangely beautiful and the provocative. And I am always drawn more to bands where I sense the music conveying vigor for life, a zest that goes beyond the simple churning out of a collection of songs. OM is one such band where that passion could not be more apparent, and that is what lifts this experience for me from a good or great album to a masterpiece. That, along with a band who can genuinely surprise me after all these years.

OM came together near Rome in the early 1970s and were a successful touring outfit in Italy over the next several years playing both solo and with other bands like PFM and Banco. They released several quality singles but because they chose to concentrate on the live touring aspect and their theatrical stage shows, they never got around to finishing a full length LP at the time. By the time they returned from a Tunisian tour in ’74 the tide was turning and they lost their chance at the full length release. But that didn’t stop the band and they continued to write and perform until 1978. Those early singles along with four outstanding compositions recorded live on their 1976 dates make up the new Italian prog Godsend that is “La Follia del Mimo di Fuoco” (The Madness of the Fire Mime.)

Describing the sound of OM will not be particularly easy. There is one component of VDGG where they employ horns and a sometimes “jerky” song structure into the rock band approach, in an effort I imagine to keep the listener “on guard” or maybe off-balance just a little. True progressive music never wants one to get too comfortable or complacent. Several styles are present on the album. Rock of course, but also there are sections that get pretty jazzy, funky, and in one or two spots I almost detect a hint of “surf” in the guitar sound. Makes me wonder if Barbati was ever into surf music ala Dick Dale. The second component is the classic Italian progressive factor and while OM does not embrace much of the Orme/PFM smooth classicism there is still some of it present, in the passionate vocals and distinct character of the music. In the softer and quieter moments you can hear the voice and acoustic guitar in gorgeous romantic tradition. The third important component of this band is the full embrace of the over-the-top theatrical atmosphere a la Ange. In their live shows the band would employ make-up, dress, mime, and a certain mystery to get the atmosphere across. But even listening to the album without the band in front of you, you can clearly understand the reference to Ange. Everything is done big and bigger, with a gregarious attitude and larger than life, boisterous vocals. Every so often Maiozzi lets out these wails, muted screams, or maniacal laughs. The band is the same way, never just falling into their rut and coasting but seemingly always looking for a way to push your buttons with what they choose to play. Since the album is part “live” this effect is even stronger. Another view of the OM sound from Outer Music Diary states “If you ever wondered what a classic Italian herky-jerky prog band (Osanna or Cervello for example) would’ve sounded like mixed with Chicago or Brainchild, well now’s your chance. This has all those great elements of the 70’s prog rock scene in Italy: Dramatic Italian vocals, superb instrumental chops, radical changes in meter and dynamics. Somehow this great archival find is flying far under the radar, and it deserves better than that. Maybe the best archival release since Kollektiv’s SWF Sessions.” [portion in italics by Outer Music Diary]

Let’s take a look at the various tracks: “Suite bambini innocenti” is proclaimed by Matthias Scheller’s liner notes to be easily ranked as one of the 10 best tracks from Italy’s ‘70s progressive scene. It’s easy to see why. Beginning from silence comes a mysterious harmonized wordless vocal growing slowly louder and louder, evoking the traditional feeling of beautiful Italian prog. But then your cocoon of musical opium is blown apart by a sudden and jarring blast of funky, punchy brass. It stops quickly, reverting back to the peaceful vocals momentarily before Barbati lets ring these fabulous mood changing chords. All of this in the first minute, probably one of the finest first minutes of prog! The song continues a fertile mixture of the brash horns and heavier vocals with soft nylon-stringed acoustic interludes that are heavenly. Some hand percussion and flute or recorder tinge these moments also. Another sections features what sounds like a ‘60s cop show soundtrack before it heads for a finale of full-on bass chugging under a big electric guitar solo. What a great opener, this is what I call a home run. In the second track “Primo turno” Maiozzi is singing about “his existence as a sad human puppet.” Again there are some serene and melodic early moments before the pace picks up with the horns and guitars, the vocals getting increasingly aggressive before hitting a high operatic peak. “Via non esiste” is the first of three 10-minute plus live epic tracks, noted as a critical look at consumerism. Here is where the backbone of the band really begins to shine through. The late Bruno Dionisi was an amazing drummer with a sound all his own. A very punctuated, direct drum sound and here the intuition between him and the great bass/guitar playing of Canini/Barbati respectively becomes apparent through the loads and loads of shifting jamming. The horns are often present clinging for dear life to the wild ride of the bass, guitar, and drums. The short single “Insieme al sole” is a breather in the form of a lighter ballad with horns and guitar that have a time/speed warp sound to them, not sure if this was intentional or not but it works to good effect. Notice the great crisp sound Dionisi gets on the kit during the opening moments. “Nel grattacielo delle idée” is another long live jam showing the band’s prowess with the story being about the destiny of a street performer and the vocal style not unlike Christian Decamps. “Amanti di ieri” is another single and the most obvious nod to the traditional romantic Italian sound: heartfelt vocals, acoustic guitar, hand percussion, and strong nostalgic melody in the Era di Acquario vein. While a bit sweet it acts as another nice breather from the heavier live stuff. They get a really nice distinct twang on the acoustic guitar notes at just the right moment, like a “snap” it really adds to the song. At over 13 minutes in length “Il viaggio di un uomo…” seems to be the band’s live potpourri of explorations: tribal drumming, freak-out blasts, horns ranging in emotion from the serene to the manic, Gentle Giant style starts/stops, trippy keys, and ambitious guitar parts holding the wild beast together. While the track has some vocals this one is all about instrumental overload. The album closes with the poignant “Angelo” which is a lullaby to a firstborn child. It brings everything back to earth and puts a period on this sometimes tension-filled album. The sweeter and more sentimental tracks may be hard to swallow for listeners who want just the heavier stuff but I enjoyed hearing both sides of the band.

They have done a nice job with the sound quality of the disc for the most part. Of course the younger generation used to crisp digital is going to note the 1970s sound difference but my feeling is that it should stop no one from hearing this. I believe this album is essential to any fan of Italian prog and to any fan of “adventurous” ‘70s prog such as Gentle Giant or VDGG. In any case, be sure to give this album plenty of time to absorb—don’t dismiss it after 3 spins as “too weird”. Sometime great music takes time to assimilate, having a long-view and an open mind being the best prog fan virtues. The packaging here is fantastic with a gatefold mini-lp sleeve and booklet with Bio and lots of pictures. For putting adventure and attitude above convention this is yet another example of why I listen to the Italian greats more often than the mainstream progressive rock. Within bands like OM there still lies the possibility of being surprised, of being a part of music before it was predictable. That is where real thrills lie.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 06:06
Great review! Clap Makes me want to check out this band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 09:53
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OFFICINA MECCANICA — La Follia Del Mimo Di Fuoco
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What a Hell of review! GREAT work!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2008 at 17:22
Grazie Mandy, it was a labor of love!Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2008 at 07:04
Originally posted by jimmy_row jimmy_row wrote:

...Said in a way that only Mandy is capable of.  I haven't heard the entire album yet in one sitting so I can't give much of an opinion, but it's clear that this isn't easy listening.  Seems like everyone calls it "difficult" or something like that.  Hopefully I'll be able to grab the mini-LP version soon...


The thing about Osanna is that they don't stay in one place for very long, musically speaking. Especially on "Palepoli". There seems to be a real "schizophrenic" feel to it, and I think that's what throws people off. But, it's no more (or less) difficult than "YS". I was able to get the japanese reissue of Palepoli, and I listen to it pretty often on my iPod. But, this month's purchases are:

I Giganti - Terra in Bocca
I Dik Dik - Suite Per Una Donna Assolutamente Relativa
Merlin - Rock Opera
Jacula -Tardo Pede in Magiam Versus
Panna Fredda - Uno

So far, my favorite out of the bunch is "Uno". I have to give the others more attention, though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2008 at 07:49
Oooohhh Lion, lucky you!!!    Giganti and Panna Fredda are gonna knock your socks off.  Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 30 2008 at 14:49
^ when I saw that earlier my eyes jumped out of my headLOL Couldn't find a price, but I bet it's too much for meOuch Hopefully someone who reads it will post a review...
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BALLETTO DI BRONZO, IL — Ys (original version)
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4 stars The heavy prog trend of 70s Italian symphonic rock was full of Genius and enthusiasm, and solid proofs of that are the recordings by Museo Rosenbach, Biglietto per l’Inferno and others, of course the “others” including the Il Balletto di Bronzo line-up that recorded “Ys”. I’m not among those who regard this album as vastly overrated or among those who consider it a masterpiece, but I certainly appreciate it as a cornerstone of Italy’s prog rock old school. When keyboardist extraordinaire Gianni Leone entered the band, it became a powerful art-rock ensemble that benefitted greatly from his inventive writing and charismatic frontman deliveries (strong chanting with an extra dose of affected neurosis). ‘Introduzione’ kicks off with mysterious female vocals that seem to emulate sirens of Doom, after which elegantly dissonant organ chord progressions elaborate a mood, which eventually leads to a synth-dominated section that is mostly eerie, yet a bit creepy as well. After a slightly neurotic organ-led interlude, an instrumental section is built on a 7/8 jazzy basis, featuring a fabulous guitar solo that leans closer to McLaughlin than to Gilmour or Howe. The prior synth-dominated section is reprised, only this time with featured mellotron, which makes it a bit spacier. ‘Primo Incontro’ is, in my opinion, the highlight of this album’s first half. Consistently based on a 5/4 tempo delivered in alternating ELP and Crimson-inspired trends, this piece comprises some of the most explosive playing in the album: Hendrix-like psychedelic guitar fills and heavy Blackmore-like solos, intertwined organ and spinet chords, an abrasive rhythm duo, magical female backing vocals, Leone testing his pitch to the limits. Everything works greatly here all the way toward the chaotic ending plus the genius spinet coda (very Manierist, indeed). ‘Secondo Incontro’ is, to my ears, the second half’s highlight. All the qualities I enjoy of ‘Primo Encontro’ are prolonged in this Second Encounter, only this time with a bigger presence of jazzy cadences in the rhythmic development. There is also a frantic section that serves as a framework for a polyphonic orgy of strings, flutes and chorale mellotrons. The intro section is also a powerful impact provider, with Leone’s demented singing reaching for pure musical hysteria while the chaos persists. ‘Terzo Incontro ed Epilogo’ is the last track, starting with the most constructed rocking section in the album. The main body of the piece’s epilogue is a mid-slow psychedelic jam that creates a mood of mystery and solitude in a cleverly sustained fashion. The opening motif’s reprise and the following female chanting provide a full circle ending to this track and the album as a whole. The bonus track ‘La Tua Casa Comoda’ is a gentle mid-tempo song that sounds a bit like early 70s Cat Stevens with a featured RMI electric piano. As commercially driven as it is, it is actually a very good song, having elegantly constrained arrangements and a confident rhythm section in the underflow. Well, “Ys” is an excellent item that should grace any good prog collection.

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