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ok First Album: Working Man not only with Zeppīs cruchy riffs, even i hear "deuce" in backwards!!!
Finding My way: Geddy shout a la plant, the Lifeson Riff is an elemental one and  used by the Zepp's (in more elaborate way)  in the magnificient "The Songs Remains the Same".
Here Again: A very good acoustic number than have more Zepp influence, even i hear  Grand Funk's Heartbraker's pace!!
 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 




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Rush definitely started out with a major Led Zep influence. No shame in that. But then when Peart joined the band, I think they started looking for a way to combine the heaviness of Zep with the complexity of Yes. Again, no shame in that. Zeppelin and Yes both had their influences. Plant's vocals were clearly influenced by Janis Joplin and obviously Zeppelin were heavily indebted to the blues. Yes's vocals were clearly influenced by Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young.

So Rush went from hard rock to prog rock. They evolved and explored.

I can see someone prefering Rush to Zeppelin, as that is merely a matter of personal taste. But there can be no doubt that Zeppelin is by far the more important and influential band. 

But since this is a poll about personal preference, Rush seems to be winning the battle here at PA.
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:11
Check this :
 
And they actually divided the periods of the history of Rush, reason are on my side...


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Points: 8543 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:13
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

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And they actually divided the periods of the history of Rush, reason are on my side...
 
Totally.  This is what I got when I clicked on your link:
 

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The first hyper text link is missing the needed parenthesis in the url -- try this --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_(band)
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Oh I know Logan.  I'm just giving him some "fluff" (edited by the auto-censor) Wink.  I actually found the real link before I posted that.  Tongue
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Originally posted by Luke. J Luke. J wrote:

Rush on the other hand are also a big name, yet they are neither as innovative (though there is still a dispute whether Led Zeppelin ever have been) nor as much as a musical monument as Led Zeppelin.


I don't think there's much dispute about Zep's innovations, their being labeled as thieves unfair considering most bands took directly from other artists..  in fact Zep often credited the bluesmen they took from unlike others who rarely acknowledged the blues and rock 'n roll roots taken form Elvis, Beach Boys, Little Richard
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Rush !!!!
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Points: 65635 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:38
Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 


'Out on the Tiles' actually features distinct Yardbirds riffs, and 'Bring it on Home' was a standard blues rhythm
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Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:

Oh I know Logan.  I'm just giving him some "fluff" (edited by the auto-censor) Wink.  I actually found the real link before I posted that.  Tongue
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:40
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 


'Out on the Tiles' actually features distinct Yardbirds riffs, and 'Bring it on Home' was a standard blues rhythm


And Rush "Before and After" are the same...Wink
 
and Zepp Amplificate those riffs and played like no one before...




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Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 


'Out on the Tiles' actually features distinct Yardbirds riffs, and 'Bring it on Home' was a standard blues rhythm


 
 
and Zepp Amplificate those riffs and played like no one before...


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This was very hard as Rush and Zep are my two favorite bands.........nonetheless Rush still wins by a landslide! Improvisation is cool but I like long orchestrated stuff better, not to mention Rush has lyrics that I just adore (I live by some of them) and Zeppelin's, while funny in masculine circles don't really mean anything. But as again , they are my second favorite band.
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Points: 3577 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 18:56
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

 
In Before and After  the main riff and the middle riif in the Lifeson solo are power riffs that Zeppelin pioneering in Out of The Tiles,  and the main riff of the powerful Bring it on Home for example. 
 


'Out on the Tiles' actually features distinct Yardbirds riffs, and 'Bring it on Home' was a standard blues rhythm


 
 
and Zepp Amplificate those riffs and played like no one before...


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David as far as i know you have to listen as many concerts of Zepp as i, and you know the 1969 tour has many moments that rarely were playing in the studio.
 
Like for example the As Long as a Have You medley.




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Points: 7024 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 19 2008 at 19:00
Zepp did some great stuff, but their live shows could be messy. They just weren't as good musicians as Rush, who are much more technically consistent.

Rush for me.
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Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

...that doesn't mean anything...
 
No, actually it means a lot my friend, Rush were inspired by the zepps to a larger extent, the instruments, the brand of heavyness in Rush music, owe much to Zepp's, of course Rush were not going to be a Zep clonesm, so they progressed, but the influences are there.

No, we're talking preference - it still means nothing. Take both bands, eliminate influence and who came first and THEN answer the question Wink


they were also influenced by Cream and Yes along with many others...
 
Of course but i you hear carefully the first album and the Fly by Night album, they owe very much to the Led Zepps

Yes, but that was their second album, what about the other 17? They soon ditched that sound. And yes, I do know the stories of people hearing "Working Man" on the radio and asking about the new Zeppelin album


so I guess Muddy Waters is better than Hendrix?
 
Waters make raw basic blues that influece a lot in Hendrix play and Hendrix never deny that origin.
Hendrix actually improve the influected blues origin with other types of music like jazz and rock of course.

So the apprentice is better than the master? Tongue

Is not the question who is better or not.
it's a matter of taste.
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yeah. Read my first responce.
 
 
 
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Rush for me, obviously. To me, LZ were always a heavily blues-based rock band, and they stayed that way through their entire career. A few of their songs are.....okay, but they never were a band that impressed me much, probably not at all actually.
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Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

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David as far as i know you have to listen as many concerts of Zepp as i, and you know the 1969 tour has many moments that rarely were playing in the studio.
 
Like for example the As Long as a Have You medley.


yes, they were almost an oldies tribute band till they had enough original material  LOL
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Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

Originally posted by Alberto Muņoz Alberto Muņoz wrote:

Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

...that doesn't mean anything...
 
No, actually it means a lot my friend, Rush were inspired by the zepps to a larger extent, the instruments, the brand of heavyness in Rush music, owe much to Zepp's, of course Rush were not going to be a Zep clonesm, so they progressed, but the influences are there.

No, we're talking preference - it still means nothing. Take both bands, eliminate influence and who came first and THEN answer the question Wink


they were also influenced by Cream and Yes along with many others...
 
Of course but i you hear carefully the first album and the Fly by Night album, they owe very much to the Led Zepps

Yes, but that was their second album, what about the other 17? They soon ditched that sound. And yes, I do know the stories of people hearing "Working Man" on the radio and asking about the new Zeppelin album


so I guess Muddy Waters is better than Hendrix?
 
Waters make raw basic blues that influece a lot in Hendrix play and Hendrix never deny that origin.
Hendrix actually improve the influected blues origin with other types of music like jazz and rock of course.

So the apprentice is better than the master? Tongue

Is not the question who is better or not.
it's a matter of taste.
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yeah. Read my first responce.
 
 
 
 
Oh i forgot that i talk with a rush fan boy.
 
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What about my post constituted fanboyism? Yes, I'm a fanboy, but I think my response was pretty objective


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