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Wilcey 
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 Posted: November 17 2008 at 04:56 |
 Jim Garten wrote:
Incidentally, when exactly did Dave Gilmour join Pendragon?
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He's always been there Jim! Glad you enjoyed the album, thoroughly lovely afternoon, I'll be baking again this today............... someone mised out! W x
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Posted: November 17 2008 at 05:26 |
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Let me ask the question...how many Shed dwellers would be happy going to a gig on their own, even if they weren't planning on seeing anyone they knew while they were there?
Personally, I have no problem with this at all, just like Im happy to go to the Cinema or Theatre on my own too, yet I've recently been surprised by a number of people who wouldn't.
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I'm quite happy to go to a gig on my own if there isn't anybody else who wants to go, but I prefer to go in company.
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progmetalhead
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Posted: November 17 2008 at 05:30 |
Scrap National Insurance - enforce compulsory insurance protection and retirement planning with the savings- problem solved.
Make the benefit system temporary for the majority leaving the help for the really needy as correctly stated above.
Far too many people in this country prefer to sit on their bums and expect hard working people like me to look after them! 
Will take time but better to take action now before the whole system collapses in the future.
oh dear maybe I should have stepped in to the Ranting Room. 
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Posted: November 17 2008 at 06:05 |
fandango wrote:
limeyrob wrote:
Don't get too despondent. Remember in our democracy these people have the same voting rights as yourself. It's just that there is one heck of a lot of them! |
hmmm... I don't want to alarm anyone, but I have two truly eyewatering statistics, which were quoted by a politician on Radio 4 last week...
85% of the total social security benefits issued, are given to the bottom 10% of our society.
In 25 years time, that 10% will have become 20%.
I think the expression 'demographic timebomb' springs to mind...  |
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, who else should be getting social security? Assuming that about 5% of the population are short to medium term unemployed, that seems to show that the percentage of people receiving social security is about the same as the proportion of society deemed to need it. The fact that that proportion looks like growing is disturbing, but that's the result of the Thatcher, Major and Blair's massaging of the true unemployment figures for the last 30 odd years.
And while we're at it - what about the proportion of the country's wealth owned by the top 10%? It correlates pretty neatly with the statistics for social security. Tax evasion at that level costs us a lot more than giro bandits fiddling the dole.
Maybe this should move into the Ranting Room....
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limeyrob
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Posted: November 17 2008 at 06:34 |
I have just seen for the first time a bit of The Jeremy Kyle show this morning. Are these people real or actors?? And writes their scripts??
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Jared
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Posted: November 17 2008 at 06:54 |
Syzygy wrote:
Just to play devil's advocate for a moment, who else should be getting social security? Assuming that about 5% of the population are short to medium term unemployed, that seems to show that the percentage of people receiving social security is about the same as the proportion of society deemed to need it.
You are right Chris, but the disturbing aspect to this is that the majority of people within that bottom 10% are not transient. 'Social Security' should be there, precisely to help out the 'bottom 10%' of the population when they fall on hard times. But, many have now been there for 2,3, or even 4 generations, and as we know, tend to within the same housing estates, where their children adopt a life-crippling poverty of aspiration as a consequence.
The fact that that proportion looks like growing is disturbing, but that's the result of the Thatcher, Major and Blair's massaging of the true unemployment figures for the last 30 odd years.
Yes, they have done this, but the real problem has been how the global economy and technological developments have stripped this country of jobs on the land and in manufacturing. Just as respective governments have paid farmers set-aside for not growing crops, politicians have inadvertantly used Social Security to pay humans not to work for such a long time, that many of the bottom 10% wouldn't be equipped with the skills to hold down a job now, if they needed to. That is the real moral blight.
And while we're at it - what about the proportion of the country's wealth owned by the top 10%? It correlates pretty neatly with the statistics for social security. Tax evasion at that level costs us a lot more than giro bandits fiddling the dole.
Again you are right, but I don't believe I mentioned the concept of 'fiddling the dole'; merely benefit reliance, which is ultimately dehumanising; a situation which is only going to become more severe if the system 'rewards' the entrenched, long term unemployed for having children, yet penalises anyone above that band for doing the same...its simple economics, really.
Maybe this should move into the Ranting Room....
You might be right...I've said enough... |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jared
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Posted: November 17 2008 at 06:55 |
limeyrob wrote:
Are these people real or actors?? And writes their scripts?? |
oh no...they are real, alright...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jared
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Posted: November 17 2008 at 09:01 |
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aaaaanyway, drawing a line under all of this unedifying social commentary, last night, I noticed that next Spring, Magenta, The Reasoning, Mostly Autumn and Breathing Space will all be playing some UK dates, and all four will be at the Robin2 between March and May...  . I'm not sure about other dates, but I guess their pages will be well worth checking out for all you Peel and Wath types... 
incidentally, tonight I'm off to see Marillion (Dudley), and FISH (Telford) next Tuesday... 
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted: November 17 2008 at 12:20 |
chopper wrote:
Ginger nuts! 
(nicely primed for lewd comment from Jim there).
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I've been trying to resist for over a week, but it's no good....
Ginger nuts??? Why do you have to bring Mick Hucknall into it???
I feel better now.
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 18 2008 at 03:31 |
Phew! Thanks Chris... I've been twitching for days because nobody'd done that (a cruel trick for Alan to play on a carry-on film fan  )
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Posted: November 18 2008 at 03:47 |
Anyhow - my neck aches, my legs ache, I've got a headache & my ears are ringing; no, I don't have flu or any of the nasty viruses currently doing the rounds... I'm just recovering from seeing these chaps last night:
Last time I saw them was around 1983/4 so knew it would either be a bit sad or pretty good; remarkably, they were astonishingly good, still - Lemmy as dry and funny as ever, and not just relying on the old material to get applause, there was plenty from the new album (which sounds like a good'un); however, I did nearly go hoarse during the opening threesome of Iron Fist, Stay Clean & Metropolis  . I think the only shock of the evening was the first encore, which was acoustic, featuring Lemmy on blues harmonica - as a bonus, they were supported by Saxon (who coincidentally I saw support Motorhead exactly 30 years ago at Hammy Odeon) who also proved that age is no obstacle to a good show.
Now, I know Motorhead are reputably the loudest band in the world & I remember seeing them at St Albans, when the volume huuuurrrt, but my memory still didn't prepare me for the sheer brutality of the PA system - it was unbelievably, shockingly loud... yet the sound was actually very clear & very good, so a big thumbs up to the sound engineer.
Would I go again - Definitely (and I know that goes for Vicky too, who had a whale of a time ) - Good time rock'n'roll - can't beat it.
Edited by Jim Garten - November 18 2008 at 03:49
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Posted: November 18 2008 at 05:05 |
^^ I, on the other hand, don't feel the need to display one of these...  as having been to see Marillion last night, am in an irritatingly smug PA mood... 
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Posted: November 18 2008 at 06:07 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Anyhow - my neck aches, my legs ache, I've got a headache & my ears are ringing; no, I don't have flu or any of the nasty viruses currently doing the rounds... I'm just recovering from seeing these chaps last night:
Last time I saw them was around 1983/4 so knew it would either be a bit sad or pretty good; remarkably, they were astonishingly good, still - Lemmy as dry and funny as ever, and not just relying on the old material to get applause, there was plenty from the new album (which sounds like a good'un); however, I did nearly go hoarse during the opening threesome of Iron Fist, Stay Clean & Metropolis . I think the only shock of the evening was the first encore, which was acoustic, featuring Lemmy on blues harmonica - as a bonus, they were supported by Saxon (who coincidentally I saw support Motorhead exactly 30 years ago at Hammy Odeon) who also proved that age is no obstacle to a good show.
Now, I know Motorhead are reputably the loudest band in the world & I remember seeing them at St Albans, when the volume huuuurrrt, but my memory still didn't prepare me for the sheer brutality of the PA system - it was unbelievably, shockingly loud... yet the sound was actually very clear & very good, so a big thumbs up to the sound engineer.
Would I go again - Definitely (and I know that goes for Vicky too, who had a whale of a time ) - Good time rock'n'roll - can't beat it.
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I'm jealous - especially as I'm off work today with the symptoms you describe and not courtesy of Lemmy and co but thanks to a colleague sharing a particularly virulent bug with other inhabitants of the staff room. It sounds like you had a great night - I saw them on the Bomber tour and they were magnificent.
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Posted: November 18 2008 at 07:11 |
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It was the bomber tour in 1978 when I first saw I saw them supported by Saxon; Hammy Odeon half full (and most of those were Angels)... from 1980 onwards though it was 4 nights there (always sold out) at each end of the tour & most of the audience were about 13, as I remember
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Posted: November 18 2008 at 16:00 |
 Verily no sleep 'til Hammersmith.
Saw Lemmy and crew at the Newcastle Mayfair in 1985. The drum intro to Overkill physically drove us back against the wall.
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 03:26 |
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It was something like that at Cambridge - I think my internal organs were subtely re-arranged by Mikey Dee's (short but powerful) solo & when they finished with 'Overkill' I actually started laughing, because it was so ludicrously loud.
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 03:37 |
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they blew us out of the place as well, in S.F. at the Warfield Theater, Eddie Clarke had just left the band but there was no lack of volume
Edited by Atavachron - November 19 2008 at 03:39
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 03:42 |
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That's the strange thing - Eddie Clark was in the band for 5 years & Phil Campbell's now been in Motorhead for 26 years... so why do I still think of him as the 'new-guy'?
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 03:49 |
Thanks for that Jim!
I use to watch them regularly at a small venue called West Runton Pavilion on the Norfolk Coast from '77 to '83. They were indeed an awesome band to watch live. ......and so so loud. From memory there used to be a lot of punks that came too and like the vast majority of gigs there, there was no trouble whatsoever!
Unless the likes of Bad Manners and similar artists turned up... 
I had the opportunity to see them again at Norwich UEA the year before last but decided not to go as I wanted to remember them in their glory days but having read your views on the latest gig I will definitely see them next time they are local.
Thanks again Jim!
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Posted: November 19 2008 at 03:51 |
Jim Garten wrote:
That's the strange thing - Eddie Clark was in the band for 5 years & Phil Campbell's now been in Motorhead for 26 years... so why do I still think of him as the 'new-guy'? |
cause it's not Motorhead without Fast Ed? think it was Brian Robertson when I saw them
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