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^ Ah, you missed Jon Oliva's stunning performance - the highlight of my year - 'twas directly responsible for me showing my face here after lurking for a year or so (see my newbie welcome thread).
 
Savatage had a remarkable knack of missing the 1st division boat, which is probably what attracts me to them, they could follow a good album with a real stinker (Fight For The Rock Dead), but Streets and Dead Winter Dead are two of the finest examples of Prog Metal for me.
 
 
/edit: and no other band comes close to them for multi-part vocal harmonies - they top even Queen in that respect.


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^^well, if that performance had something to do with bringing you onto the site, Dean..then it was worth every penny...Wink
 
I think I heard 3 albums by them in succession; Hall Of The Mountain King & Gutter Ballet were certainly two of them....Ermm.  All I can say is that Kudos must be given to them for producing some more interesting and varied metal at the back end of the '80s, than the Skid Rows of this world...Dead but on the other side of the coin, if Savatage were to be peddling that stuff now, they would be swallowed up as anonymous also-rans, because (thankfully) the bar has been raised beyond all comparason over the past decade...
 
personally, I also have PPUK to thank for putting on one of the most amazing shows I have ever witnessed by any band anywhere... the final date of the Therion Lemuria/Sirius B world tour... I was absolutely stunned...Heart. 
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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^well, if that performance had something to do with bringing you onto the site, Dean..then it was worth every penny...Wink
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Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

 
 
I think I heard 3 albums by them in succession; Hall Of The Mountain King & Gutter Ballet were certainly two of them....Ermm.  All I can say is that Kudos must be given to them for producing some more interesting and varied metal at the back end of the '80s, than the Skid Rows of this world...Dead but on the other side of the coin, if Savatage were to be peddling that stuff now, they would be swallowed up as anonymous also-rans, because (thankfully) the bar has been raised beyond all comparason over the past decade...
Savatage are still going (as JOP) - I can't imagine Maniacal Renderings or Global Warning being quite your cup of Darjeeling, but it hits the spot for me. Big smile
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personally, I also have PPUK to thank for putting on one of the most amazing shows I have ever witnessed by any band anywhere... the final date of the Therion Lemuria/Sirius B world tour... I was absolutely stunned...Heart. 
saw Therion at the Underworld back in  1998(?) with Sara Jezabel Diva doing the wailing - got me hooked on them from that moment on.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Savatage are still going (as JOP) - I can't imagine Maniacal Renderings or Global Warning being quite your cup of Darjeeling, but it hits the spot for me. Big smile
 
Yeah, I'm well aware of JO's Pain, but you're right, they aren't really my cuppa either, which is why I decided to skip his PPUK performance...Embarrassed
 
I know I might have come across a little critical, but am always happy to be 'proved wrong' by giving any band a 2nd chance, and sometimes it works.  Mind's Eye's 'A Gentleman's Hurricaine' is much superior to their previous efforts, and Dreamscape's 5th Season is much superior to theirs.  On the other hand, I did try Ayreon's 01011001, and frankly it isn't great, although its a considerable improvement on the truly dreadful Electric Castle & Migrator, which have to be all-time lows in the Prog Metal spectrum.
 
If I could find albums for any of the bands mentioned, which will change my POV, I will be glad to hear them...as it happens, I have spied a cheapo copy of Savatage's Poets & Madmen... do you think its worth me giving them another try?  After all, it was 5/6 years since I heard the other three albums, and this one is from almost a decade later?...Smile
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ Ah, you missed Jon Oliva's stunning performance - the highlight of my year - 'twas directly responsible for me showing my face here after lurking for a year or so (see my newbie welcome thread).
 
Savatage had a remarkable knack of missing the 1st division boat, which is probably what attracts me to them, they could follow a good album with a real stinker (Fight For The Rock Dead), but Streets and Dead Winter Dead are two of the finest examples of Prog Metal for me.
 
 
/edit: and no other band comes close to them for multi-part vocal harmonies - they top even Queen in that respect.

As a Pain of Salvation fanboy I might have to give them a try, just so I can argue the toss with you.Wink
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@Jared - if you didn't like Hall Of The Mountain King then I wouldn't recommend Poets & Madmen (not that they are anything alike - just Jon's vocals are not dissimilar) - I'd go for Dead Winter Dead or Edge of Thorns - I think you'll prefer Zac Stevens vocals - but listen to Mozart & Madness or The Wake of Magellan from the band page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=847 before splashing the cash

@Andy - bearing in mind it dates back to 1994, listen to Chance on the band page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=847
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After the Pendies/acoustic Magenta concert I was doing a bit of background digging and hadn't realised just how much Clive Nolan music I have. I recently bought Caamora - She and was looking at a few reviews when it struck me that CN must be my third-ish most numerous artist. Pendies and Caamora (as mentioned), Arena, Shadowland, Oliver Wakeman co-albums plus other appearances certainly stack up the albums.
 
Just as as aside I observed a quite touching scene at said concert. The venue was quite a smallish hall and the audience were standing right in front of the stage. In the audience was this bloke with his young daughter both of whom were singing merrily along with the lyrics (I wish I could get an equal amount of enthusiasm from my daughter - I digress). Anyway part way through a number CN leant over and gave the young 'un a keepsake. I didn't see what it was but the look on her face was a picture. Well done CN. Top bloke.
 
As I said before this was a great concert including NB moving through the audience as he sang their last number of the second encore. Top band. Top concert - even had a short conversation with Rach and Christina Booth. Top night
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Thanks, Dean... yes, I do prefer Zac Steven's voice to John Oliva's, and I must admit, I have heard the track, 'The Wake Of Magellan' before.  It's OK, but doesn't exactly shake my world; I guess I just feel that there's a whole lot of better suited stuff out there demanding my attention, to bother chasing their discography.  Maybe I might have felt a bit differently during the '90s, I don't know...Ermm
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^ Aye, the '90s were a whole different era and should be judged accordingly
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Originally posted by limeyrob limeyrob wrote:

Just as as aside I observed a quite touching scene at said concert. The venue was quite a smallish hall and the audience were standing right in front of the stage. In the audience was this bloke with his young daughter both of whom were singing merrily along with the lyrics (I wish I could get an equal amount of enthusiasm from my daughter - I digress). Anyway part way through a number CN leant over and gave the young 'un a keepsake. I didn't see what it was but the look on her face was a picture. Well done CN. Top bloke.


Ah! That will be the lovely Lauren!   I swear she knows all the words to all the songs, it was a particularly exciting evening for her, we gave her a tour of the tour bus! Confused   Lauren's Dad has been coming to shows for ever, and Lauren comes to those she can, at MegaDaze (the 2 day event at the start of the tour) she even did a good chunk of time on the merch desk with me!  She is an honourary team member!  (I think Clive was sharing the chocs that were taped to his keyboard by the crew as part of an on going tour jape! LOL )  

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Wow, I wish I could get my kids to come to a gig with me. 
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Let me ask the question...how many Shed dwellers would be happy going to a gig on their own, even if they weren't planning on seeing anyone they knew while they were there?

Personally, I have no problem with this at all, just like Im happy to go to the Cinema or Theatre on my own too, yet I've recently been surprised by a number of people who wouldn't.
 
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Before I met Evelyn,I would go to gigs with a couple of mates and probably meet umpteen acquaintences without planning to meet them.

If I were going to a gig by an artist that none of my friends liked,it wouldn't bother me in the slightest.A case in point would be VdGG's comeback gigs at the RFH and at Shepherds Bush.

None of my friends liked VdGG at the time so I went on my own without a care as I had been doing this since I was 16.Only one or two of my schoolfriends liked prog.

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I'll go to a movie by myself and have gone to concerts alone, though for live music I usually like some company  ..but I fancy a night out alone occasionally, good for the soul
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^^thanks boys..I've started a poll thing under General Music Discussions...don't feel obliged to take part...LOL
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I'm happy doing both, as with the DT concert last year and recently The Reasoning where I went alone. The Pendies gig I went alone though I thought I'd bump into Rach, which I did - though I haven't been to too many gigs I have to say. 
 
I rarely go to the cinema these days - with or without a companion. It is such a dreadful experience. Rank smell of popcorn, people talking during the film, rustling of sweet wrappers, foul smelling perfumes sprayed on with a hosepipe, latecomers and out of focus films to mention but a few. Mind you, if there was a cinema dedicated to grumpy old folks who just want to watch the film, let me know! What happened to the B movie?
 
Theatre is OK but given a choice on limited income I'd rather buy a music CD.
 
 
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^^ I can't help feeling there are a number of handicaps here Rob... firstly, you are obviously watching some populist hollywood tripe in a multiplex, and secondly you live in Wakefield...(having an ex-Wife who came from Normanton, I feel qualified to comment...Wink)
 
have you thought about trying to track down some world cinema clubs, or even popping over to Bradford Picturedrome?  A few B&W European films from the 50's with sub-titles can be rather thought provoking and leaves you free from the popcorn crowd...LOL
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Yes,yes, yes,
 
No, no, I'll have to get back into watching films that make you think.
 
Do the B&W's have sub-titles? (Then I can listen to my Walkman whilst watching the film - who said blokes can't multi-task?! Wink) Edit - course they do - you already said it. Embarrassed


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There are still some independant cinemas that show hollywood blockbusters - they seem to attract the more refined audiences who don't behave like they are watching a DVD at home. At the local multiplex I'm forever waiting for the heffer in front of me to ask the projectionist to press pause while she goes for a wee. It will happen one day, I'm certain of it. Unhappy
 
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Its the digging of knees and feet into the back of my seat, and rocking backwards and forwards which Censored me off most....what makes it worse is when you attempt to explain to chav & friends sat behind you that you find it irritating, you are greeted with a blank 'Yu Wha..' as if you're really asking him to go out of his way for someone he's only just met...Confused
 
all in all, I find multiplex experience too much of an emotional upheaval these days, to bother attending...Ouch


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