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    Posted: November 15 2008 at 08:37
My personal theory - it's a reaction to growing up and being forcefed music like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS5FrHiO-9Q
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 08:46
Quite interesting - back in the early 1970s, we had exactly the same kind of trash in Flemish Belgium. And I'm pretty sure the Dutch and the Germans had their own versions, too. Is this perhaps a debased "Germanic" boogie-woogie derivate?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 08:51
I don't know, really. This thing started in the late 60's or 70's - and is as popular as ever in Sweden (and Norway too when it comes to that).

Even the third rate tier of bands playing this music (imagine what that sounds like...) will sell loads more than your average prog band.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 09:13
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

I don't know, really. This thing started in the late 60's or 70's - and is as popular as ever in Sweden (and Norway too when it comes to that).

Even the third rate tier of bands playing this music (imagine what that sounds like...) will sell loads more than your average prog band.

Brr! LOL

Let's not exaggerate. This is something for the 60+'es in most cases, and it's never been a big part of young Swedes musical interest. People listen to the standard radio pop, rap etc. that the rest of the (at least) Western world listen to.

And let's not forget this movement


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 09:40
That must be why so many metal bands come from Sweden too.....
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 10:10
Metal, progressive, hardcore... Sweden has a lot of wordwide-known bands in these genres. So, I hardly see Sweden as a "prog-rock nation". I could also add that Italy has given birth to a massive wave of bands in the seventies, just like Germany or France (the problem of French bands was the lack of success).
Even the "Progg" movement doesn't seem to differ a lot from what happened in France (it doesn't mean I would discard these bands: it may be very interesting to listen to them).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 10:26
^ I didn't mean to isolate the phenomenon, just add it as a counterweight to the horrible dansband music Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 10:50
Oh, allright. But I think a lot of progressive rock scenes have started in reaction to annoying musical genres. That would be a common ground between French bands and Sweden bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 11:09
Jonas Reingold (bass player from The Flower Kings) gave his opinion on this, but on a more general level:

PA: And what do you think of the music scene in Sweden right now? It seems very fertile.

JR: Yeah, I think that the average climate for music is very good! Not that they’re all getting gigs everywhere, I kind of think the gig scene is pretty low everywhere… but we’re the third biggest exporter of music in the world, and I think that’s pretty good considering our population. I believe that United States is number one and then England is 2 and then we’re number 3, so it’s a big success internationally, and we love that. There was a time in the late 90s where we really dominated on the Billboard list with guys like Max Martin and those guys who wrote songs for Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears and Celine Dion, and I think there was a specific week when Max Martin had number 1, 2, 3,4 and 5 on the charts and that’s only happened once before with the Beatles in ’64 or ’65 or something. I think it’s because of that and I think it’s because the parents can read that people are actually making money from music and it’s considered a good business here in Sweden. If you sell a million records you will make a good amount of money, so, they’re encouraging kids to play and we have a good education system here in Sweden where the parents can put their kids into a music school. I went to that school and they just had to pay a very, very low fee to have your kid in a musical school – I think it’s like fifty bucks a year or something – plus you can rent an instrument for fifty bucks more. Its nothing! So it’s a good system where anyone can start to play, and we have rehearsal rooms and studios where people can go and practice and form bands, and we have programs to try and keep the kids off the streets, just focusing on good, positive things like music or art. So we’re harvesting the benefits of what we started, like, 25 years ago - right now.  There’s a lot of bands playing and of course Abba opened the door in the 70s. There’s a lot of reasons, but it’s because we had things in place to do that, we had programs to keep them out of the streets and to stay productive.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 17:35
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

My personal theory - it's a reaction to growing up and being forcefed music like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS5FrHiO-9Q


That reminds me about a guy in Norway who recommended Vikingarna to an Italian black metal fan visiting a Norwegian black metal forum as "a satan worshipping black metal band and the most true black metal band in Norway". He then went on to describe their lyrics in words and terms I cannot use in this forum. He recommended this Italian to buy every Vikingarna album he could get.
This prank caused a great deal of hilarity in some Norwegian newspapers.

 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 15 2008 at 23:43
Sweden has months with no sun- doesn't it. What else can you do?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2008 at 03:44
I think it's one of the few countries where a prog musician can still actually make a living...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2008 at 06:27
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

My personal theory - it's a reaction to growing up and being forcefed music like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS5FrHiO-9Q
 
Hahahaha, I hope this topic wasn't anything to do with the genre Dansband... well it was Dansband  Dead
 
This is the genre I hate the most of everything, I hate it more than anything... well there's war, poverty and all that... aside from stuff like that Dansband is the worst and if here was no law here in Sweden I'd be killing them all... though... it would take some time since the bands are many and the fans are nuts.
 
Hahahaha... just searched the net for dansband and found a link with the more famous bands with photos of them... some of the clothes is so ugly there ain't words to describe them... the ones in the bands (I'll never call these morons musicians... I'd rather eat pidgeon poo pizza).
So if you're VERY bored and want to check the ugliest clothes you never saw/seen... give it a try but don't blame me if you can't handle it mentally.
 
 
Just saw there was about 3000 thousands of them... a disgusting sight.
 
The most that listen to this crap is the older folks since the lyrics are overly romantic though in some cases kids and youngsters listens to it... the main reason for the listeners is growing up to this music.
 
One more thing, if you see dansband clips on youtube or the like, follow the bass guitar notes: bum bum- bum-bum bum bum, bum bum- bum-bum bum bum etc. almost all bands since the beginning of this genre have used this line... in almost all songs.
 
This music style is the least progressive of all styles ever, they have great instruments that they can't play, the music sound the exact same today as it did for about 30 years ago, the only thing you can hear as a difference is that the studio equipments today is far superior , it's a shame for me being a swede... I have a nerd living under me and some times he blast the dansband... yes blast.
 
So when it comes to me thinking about how so many progressive bands came from my country, obviously they listened to different type of music and have not the same influences.
A dansband guy would mostly listen to swedish sixties pop, country, 50's soft rock... believe they listen to more but the swedish pop had the most impact, that's for sure.
The prog guys in the early 70's was listening to Zappa & Pink Floyd etc., plus the prog guys are masters at their instrument.
 
Bo Hansson on organ for example, when he was with Janne Loffe Karlsson (bandname: Hansson & Karlsson) they were smashing and they had a sound almost no other did, even Jimi Hendrix wanted to change his band mates after hearing H&K playing when Jimi was in Stockholm... he wanted to leave Mitch and Noel to get Hansson on his Hammond and Janne who then was the most underrated drummer I can think of...
 
Here's a photo of the band and the blond one is Bo Hansson:
 
 
Jimi had a jam with H&K in a club in Stockholm (after some live show earlier that day) and sometimes they played together at various clubs and pubs.
The song Tax Free that Jimi played was one of H&K's songs that he liked the most.
The most famous of the jams was recorded but the one (arse head) who own the tape refuse to release it.
There was some problem, H&K was stuck with their manager and record label and the band didn't go nowhere, they was booked somewhere in europe, guess it was in Belgium in the mid/late sixties, booked along with Zappa, Beatles, Jimi Hendrix and a bunch more bands, their manager was a moron and he ruined their career as H&K.
 
H&K was first with that sound that they had... not many knows that but then they didn't have an international career, with superstars like Jimi Hendrix and Frank Zappa as fans.
Here's a youtube clip with them, the music parts are from the sixties... listen to the music it's quite good:
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2008 at 06:45
Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:

I think it's one of the few countries where a prog musician can still actually make a living...


Since when being a musician can make a living??? Especially, a musician working in such a disliked genre as prog rock?!
More seriously, I doubt it. I don't think that the musicians from Anglagard, Anekdoten, Flower Kings or others are on the poverty line, but I would be curious to see their monthly wages. Not as high as the ones of the ABBA, Ace of Base or Roxette members, I guess...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2008 at 07:09
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:

I think it's one of the few countries where a prog musician can still actually make a living...


Since when being a musician can make a living??? Especially, a musician working in such a disliked genre as prog rock?!
More seriously, I doubt it. I don't think that the musicians from Anglagard, Anekdoten, Flower Kings or others are on the poverty line, but I would be curious to see their monthly wages. Not as high as the ones of the ABBA, Ace of Base or Roxette members, I guess...
 
So true.
 
But I almost puked reading these bandnames... I friggin hate them!
 
Per Gessle of Roxette is rich as hell and I would bet anything at saying that he gets more cash a year than all Änglagård, Anekdoten and Flower Kings members a year times 10!
 
It's the same everywhere I guess...
 
EDIT: The once I hate is ABBA, Ace Of Base and Roxette...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2008 at 11:35
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Originally posted by jplanet jplanet wrote:

I think it's one of the few countries where a prog musician can still actually make a living...


Since when being a musician can make a living??? Especially, a musician working in such a disliked genre as prog rock?!
More seriously, I doubt it. I don't think that the musicians from Anglagard, Anekdoten, Flower Kings or others are on the poverty line, but I would be curious to see their monthly wages. Not as high as the ones of the ABBA, Ace of Base or Roxette members, I guess...
 
Aren't the arts government-funded in Scandinavia?  You know, since they're all communist dictatorships and what not.....
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2008 at 12:00
^ In communist Sweden prog funds you Approve (hopefully)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2008 at 12:00
Originally posted by Zitro Zitro wrote:

Jonas Reingold (bass player from The Flower Kings) gave his opinion on this, but on a more general level:

PA: And what do you think of the music scene in Sweden right now? It seems very fertile.

JR: Yeah, I think that the average climate for music is very good! Not that they’re all getting gigs everywhere, I kind of think the gig scene is pretty low everywhere… but we’re the third biggest exporter of music in the world, and I think that’s pretty good considering our population. I believe that United States is number one and then England is 2 and then we’re number 3, so it’s a big success internationally, and we love that. There was a time in the late 90s where we really dominated on the Billboard list with guys like Max Martin and those guys who wrote songs for Backstreet Boys and Britney Spears and Celine Dion, and I think there was a specific week when Max Martin had number 1, 2, 3,4 and 5 on the charts and that’s only happened once before with the Beatles in ’64 or ’65 or something. I think it’s because of that and I think it’s because the parents can read that people are actually making money from music and it’s considered a good business here in Sweden. If you sell a million records you will make a good amount of money, so, they’re encouraging kids to play and we have a good education system here in Sweden where the parents can put their kids into a music school. I went to that school and they just had to pay a very, very low fee to have your kid in a musical school – I think it’s like fifty bucks a year or something – plus you can rent an instrument for fifty bucks more. Its nothing! So it’s a good system where anyone can start to play, and we have rehearsal rooms and studios where people can go and practice and form bands, and we have programs to try and keep the kids off the streets, just focusing on good, positive things like music or art. So we’re harvesting the benefits of what we started, like, 25 years ago - right now.  There’s a lot of bands playing and of course Abba opened the door in the 70s. There’s a lot of reasons, but it’s because we had things in place to do that, we had programs to keep them out of the streets and to stay productive.


and yet even though the US is #1 in exporting of music, we have VH1 'save the music' ads on TV and music and art classes being cut from school programs. the American music situation is really embarrassing right now Ouch
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2008 at 15:41
I remember reading that TFK were started with a pretty sizable government grant that Roine Stolt received, so yes, in Sweden , at least, there appears to be a more broadly applied approach to public funding for music.  In the US what little money that is left coming to the arts (sine the NEA has all but dried up and blown away) goes to classical music which has no chance whatsoever of making a dollar in this country.  And believe me, as someone who has applied for a number of the remaining grants for my classical music endeavors, the odds of getting one of them is miniscule.  The number of applicants for the few grants available is huge and they seem to be awarded to the friends (and nephews) of those holding the purse.

I teach music at a major university in the States and we can't even manage to offer some of the amenities that Jonas mentions in that interview.  The practice rooms are cold, the windows in the building have duct tape holding them together,  the pianos are in a horrible state of disrepair, and the level of academic expectation is lower than ever.  How can anyone compete in the music world coming from the States where Iggy Pop and/or The Jonas Brothers are considered the epitome of great art and musicianship?  It is truly embarrassing.

A move to Sweden or Denmark (if you're willing to change citizenship) might not be a bad move for US musicians in any genre except when we get over there we find that those who came up in the "home system" are better than we are.  

Sad indeed.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2008 at 19:03
Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

I don't know, really. This thing started in the late 60's or 70's - and is as popular as ever in Sweden (and Norway too when it comes to that).

Even the third rate tier of bands playing this music (imagine what that sounds like...) will sell loads more than your average prog band.

Brr! LOL

Let's not exaggerate. This is something for the 60+'es in most cases, and it's never been a big part of young Swedes musical interest. People listen to the standard radio pop, rap etc. that the rest of the (at least) Western world listen to.

And let's not forget this movement



oh how interesting.Clap...didn't know that.... very similar of course to what was the whole underlying  basis of Italian prog.. and was not exactly an insigniicant aspect of Krautrock as well.
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