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JJLehto
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 18:19 |
Can there be happy rants? Well, I'm doing one. Penn State must have finally gotten tired of taking my money, (well I wish). I bought my books for this semester. Expecting the usual $400-500 it came out to $92
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limeyrob
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 13:46 |
'king great. You act responsibly, spend less than you earn then find that your savings are eroding with low interest rate/higher inflation. Needless to say that I have no sympathy for anyone who has gotten themselves into debt. Self infliction I call it.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 13 2008 at 08:16 |
OK
I've been paying £55 per month to my gas supplier; they recently read my meter & the new statement confirmed that gas usage vs payments came to a balance of £0.09 - perfect - I'm paying exactly what I need to.
Not so.
The thieving s now want to increase my monthly payment from £55 to £96; an increase of over 61% - this in the face of industry wide opinion that the retail cost of gas per unit is to fall sharply over the next 6 months - I say again: THIEVING s!
How many people don't even look at their gas statements & just carry on paying? How many people are these s ripping off across the country?
Suffice to say, a sternly worded missive has been sent
Did I mention my opinion that I'm being supplied by a bunch of money grabbing, thieving s ?
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Wilcey
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Posted: November 13 2008 at 08:43 |
ok get this one Jim, My mum who is an elderly widow living alone recently (3 years ago) had mainline gas fitted into her cottage which is exactly 2up, 2down mid terrace. For2 years she paid £28 per month for combined gas and electric. In March of this year they put it to £32. which she accepted ok. In September they increased her monthly payments to a WHOPPING £106.38 per month. She was in the middle of her first bout of chemo at the time, so my sister tried to deal with it for her, we are STILL waiting for it to be sorted out. But APPARENTLY if you pay by monthly direct debit although generally your gas/electric cost is up to 10% cheaper than the standard bill payer, it is ENTIRELY LEGAL for the provider to set the monthly debit at WHATEVER THEY WISH, and trying to get money back from them is almost impossible. Mum's health means that she is too sick and dizzy to read a book or watch TV, and pretty much goes to bed when it gets dark as she's pretty frail. My sister, who is local to her, brings her cooked food some days, other days she might just have fruit or toast (she's pretty sick) she has one radiator in the lounge and one in her bedroom. no more. £106.38 a month????? That's robbery of the worst kind. We are all helping out where we can and hope we can sort it out as soon as possible, in the meantime she is under stress that she really could do without right now.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 13 2008 at 12:14 |
Whoa!
That is ing outrageous.
Have you tried the old "threatening to move to an alternate supplier" tack? I've found this can be quite effective when requesting lowering of extortionate monthly charges??
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Padraic
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Posted: November 13 2008 at 12:17 |
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 13 2008 at 12:24 |
The system should work though - you pay a fixed price each month, the meter's read, they work out how much you've paid & how much you've used & your account's either in credit (when you can claim a refund) or in debit (when you pay the difference).
The problem comes when they 'estimate' how much you're going to use over the coming year - if I used 61% more central heating, my ing windows would melt.
Now that's bad enough for people like Vicky and I, but when it comes to vunerable people like say, Rachel's mother or pensioners who may be watching every expenditure, it goes beyond outrageous to borderline criminal.
s!
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progmetalhead
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Posted: November 13 2008 at 12:32 |
^^^
If I ever get in any trouble I'm going to give you a call Jim!
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Dean
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Posted: November 13 2008 at 13:03 |
Jim Garten wrote:
The system should work though - you pay a fixed price each month, the meter's read, they work out how much you've paid & how much you've used & your account's either in credit (when you can claim a refund) or in debit (when you pay the difference). |
...I take it you've never tried to claim a refund. Once those b ds have your money they are loathed to give it back ... the entire industry is supported by unsolicited loans from the hapless consumer.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 14 2008 at 03:42 |
Actually, yes - a couple of years back we were over £300 in advance, which they paid back without a quibble... I agree about the unsolicited loans though - they're not increasing our monthly payments by 61% just so they can get the interest on our money.
s!
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Neil
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Posted: November 14 2008 at 09:55 |
I had the same problem with British Gas and DD. In the end I changed back to quarterly bills; then I get the gas up front and it's my decision whether I pay the thieving robdogs or not.
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Neil
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Posted: November 14 2008 at 09:56 |
Neil wrote:
....then I get the gas up front.... |
As opposed to Mr G who normally gets the gas in arrears.
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 08:10 |
Jim Garten wrote:
The system should work though - you pay a fixed price each month, the meter's read, they work out how much you've paid & how much you've used & your account's either in credit (when you can claim a refund) or in debit (when you pay the difference).
The problem comes when they 'estimate' how much you're going to use over the coming year - if I used 61% more central heating, my ing windows would melt.
Now that's bad enough for people like Vicky and I, but when it comes to vunerable people like say, Rachel's mother or pensioners who may be watching every expenditure, it goes beyond outrageous to borderline criminal.
s! |
Just some of the benefits of privatised utilities. OK, the nationalised utilities were also riddled with incompetence but at least there was some notional control on their pricing, as opposed to the current cartels who fail to provide an adequate service and rob you blind at the same time.
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Dean
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 10:04 |
You know what really bugs me? Skimmed and Semi-Skimmed Milk. What the hell is all that about? Who honestly thinks that putting a tablespoonful of semi-skimmed milk in their coffee instead of full-fat makes any difference to their daily fat intake?
We're talking a difference of 1.5% by volume that is then diluted another 80-90% - resulting in an insignificant difference (0.15%) that results in a major difference in taste.
In terms of a healthy diet you need to drink 10 pints of whole milk to even approach the recommended daily allowance of fats for a healthy diet - a few drops in a cup of tea or coffee, or the half-a-cup you pour over your cornflakes in the morning is making little difference to your daily requirement - no one ever got fat from drinking full-fat milk - so by the same logic, no one ever got slim by drinking low-fat milk.
Plus - low fat milk tastes like water - what's the point of that?
It's the worlds biggest marketting con that over 75% of households in the UK have fallen for hook, line and sinker. Why? Would somebody please explain...
Edited by Dean - November 15 2008 at 10:12
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Jared
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 11:04 |
Dean wrote:
You know what really bugs me? Skimmed and Semi-Skimmed Milk. Why? Would somebody please explain... |
Yes. Put quite simply, I just can't tolerate large quantities of full fat milk...it sticks in the back of my throat and makes me feel bloated, and I find it difficult to digest. I realise I have suffered from IBS for 15 years and as such might be a *special* case, but if I've gone to stay at someone's house for a couple of days where they only have full fat (like my sister's before she emigrated), I really do feel it. A kind of lactose intolerance, I guess, which is why I always drink Semi-skimmed.
Now, I will agree with you on Skimmed milk...that is white water, and scarcely worth bothering with...
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limeyrob
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 12:22 |
When I was no'but a lad I remember helping out my Dad on his milkround. The milk came from either the dairy (Associated Dairies to be precise - early Asda) or direct from a farm. The types of milk were - silver top - normal pasturised, gold top - creamier jersey milk as the main sellers. Red top (aka homogenised) was were the cream and the milk had been blasted (I think) to make a single milk without the separate cream layer. For those without a sense of taste sterilised was also available (read this as representing sick). The best of the bunch was farm gold. At least a third of the pint was a cream layer. Mmmmmmm.
These days we seem to have lost the flexibility of the cream layer. Toppings for rice puddings, bananas, strawberries etc to name but a few.
I don't remember skimmed or semi-skimmed at all.
Edited by limeyrob - November 15 2008 at 12:23
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Wilcey
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 12:34 |
we only ever drink red topped skimmed milk here. it's not about the fat, it's about er, taste. We prefer it in hot drinks. Cream is yummy poured on things, but not in my tea thankyou very much!
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Dean
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 13:36 |
fandango wrote:
A kind of lactose intolerance, I guess, which is why I always drink Semi-skimmed |
Full-fat milk has a lower lactose content than skimmed - IBS sufferers are intolerant to the fat content, so skimmed milk is better... so you are excused from my rant - so are people who genuinely prefer the taste (or lack there of)
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For those without a sense of taste sterilised was also available (read this as representing sick). |
Steralised milk was the worse ever - my grandparents use to have that because they never owned a fridge
Nasty stuff that came in crown-topped bottles:
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limeyrob
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Posted: November 15 2008 at 14:08 |
Also the tops used to take nicks out of your fingers if you carried two or more, milkman style, in your hand. Thoroughly nasty stuff all round
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 17 2008 at 03:35 |
And I loved it as a kid - my aunt was the only one we knew who got it & I looked on it as a treat when we visited her. I certainly cannot remember semit skimmed/skimmed milk as a kid, it was always red-top in bottles.
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Cream is yummy poured on things, but not in my tea thank you very much! |
No no no, never tea! Coffee, however...
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