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Padraic 
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 Posted: November 05 2008 at 13:28 |
 Easy Money wrote:
Atkingani wrote:
John McCain proved today (or yesterday), when conceding victory to Barrack Obama to be a great man and a great US citizen; I believe he expects this kind of greatness regarding his supporters too.
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So true Guigo, John McCain is a class act all the way and would have been a great president 8 years ago. Most of my family are Republicans and I warned then 8 years ago that they were making a big mistake picking Bush over McCain. I don't bug them about it, but I'm sure they agree with me now. |
I was a huge McCain supporter in 2000. If only...
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zappaholic
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 13:30 |
Raff wrote:
I'd rather have stayed out of the discussion (even if, as a future US citizen and the soon-to-be wife of one, I feel entitled to participate), but I'd like to add my endorsement of what John just wrote above me. I wonder if one can be so oblivious to the extremely difficult situation of their own country, and wish death on someone just because they don't share that person's ideas, regardless of the havoc such an event would wreak on the country (not to mention at the international level). Therefore, I can't help thinking such fantasies are a tad disturbing, to say the least. Has hatred for one's adversary become stronger than love for one's own country's welfare? |
Believe it. There are millions of Americans who, as I've mentioned upthread, WILL NOT TOLERATE an Obama presidency. And, since they believe the ballot box has failed them, I have no doubt that many of them will resort to the cartridge box.
The next few years promise to be very interesting (as in the infamous ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times").
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"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken
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Atkingani
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 13:43 |
Let me tell you something... 
I steadily opposed our present President, Lula da Silva, in the 1994 and 1998 Presidential elections here in Brazil and enjoyed greatly his defeat in either occasions.
In 1999, I met him casually in an airport and together with another folk I boarded him (who was with 2 friends too) and we talked there in the airport and later during the trip (between the cities of São Paulo and Rio). It was more than 1 hour of conversation and the guy got me. Lula da Silva reached only the equivalent of the 6th grade, he speaks with some language errors but is really a nice guy with fine proposals.
Well, not only for this meeting but after evaluating the situation, I voted for him in 2002 and he finally won and I gave him my vote for his re-election in 2006... problems remain but the achievements we got in these 6 years are ENORMOUS!!!
Well, things change, people change, yesterday we knew less than today and even lesser than tomorrow!
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 16:53 |
Atkingani wrote:
Let me tell you something...
I steadily opposed our present President, Lula da Silva, in the 1994 and 1998 Presidential elections here in Brazil and enjoyed greatly his defeat in either occasions.
In 1999, I met him casually in an airport and together with another folk I boarded him (who was with 2 friends too) and we talked there in the airport and later during the trip (between the cities of São Paulo and Rio). It was more than 1 hour of conversation and the guy got me. Lula da Silva reached only the equivalent of the 6th grade, he speaks with some language errors but is really a nice guy with fine proposals.
Well, not only for this meeting but after evaluating the situation, I voted for him in 2002 and he finally won and I gave him my vote for his re-election in 2006... problems remain but the achievements we got in these 6 years are ENORMOUS!!!
Well, things change, people change, yesterday we knew less than today and even lesser than tomorrow!
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Great story. 
I wish there was a way for people to meet the people they vote for in person. Television isn't always reliable.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 19:05 |
Easy Money wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Drew wrote:
If I were a Veteran I would be so pissed.......
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Speaking of which, I will begin taking bets on whether or not the U.S. will have completely pulled out of Iraq by this time next year. |
On another side note, I will also be taking bets on possibilities of civil uprising and assassination attempts on President Obama in the next 4 years (don't laugh at the possibility of an assassination, since 1) there's plenty of skinheads out there who are even more pissed off than I am and 2) a U.S. president has been assassinated every 20 years for about the past 150 years or so, although Reagan and one other president who I can't remember right now managed to survive their assassination attempts). Not that I'm saying someone will try, but for some reason I see it being a possibility. |
You were right about the riots after the election, we read your post and there was an immediate riot of laughter in our house.
I hope your assassination fantasies don't come true, it would be hard on his wife and daughters as well as the rest of the country. |
Haven't you even bothered to notice how much some people in this country hate Obama? Like I said, I don't like Obama, but I have no plans of personally assassinating him and I'm not wishing for his death. I'm saying that there are some people out there, a lot of skinheads in particular, who I'm sure are foaming at the mouth because of him being elected. If you don't believe me, take a look at this http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/27/obama-assassination-plot_n_138297.html
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 19:10 |
zappaholic wrote:
Raff wrote:
I'd rather have stayed out of the discussion (even if, as a future US citizen and the soon-to-be wife of one, I feel entitled to participate), but I'd like to add my endorsement of what John just wrote above me. I wonder if one can be so oblivious to the extremely difficult situation of their own country, and wish death on someone just because they don't share that person's ideas, regardless of the havoc such an event would wreak on the country (not to mention at the international level). Therefore, I can't help thinking such fantasies are a tad disturbing, to say the least. Has hatred for one's adversary become stronger than love for one's own country's welfare? |
Believe it. There are millions of Americans who, as I've mentioned upthread, WILL NOT TOLERATE an Obama presidency. And, since they believe the ballot box has failed them, I have no doubt that many of them will resort to the cartridge box.
The next few years promise to be very interesting (as in the infamous ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times").
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I just hope that some people aren't stupid enough to try and start massive riots or, worst case scenario, a direct attack on the government. Although in all honesty, our political cycle has always gone in cycles, so who's to say that 2010 or 2012 won't bring about another power shift in Washington D.C? Overall though, I guess I'm just worried about a lot of things potentially. Obama won the election clean and fair it seems, so I'm willing to give him a chance. But based on what I know/think of the man, he's going to be on a very short leash for me.
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 20:17 |
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
zappaholic wrote:
Raff wrote:
I'd rather have stayed out of the discussion (even if, as a future US citizen and the soon-to-be wife of one, I feel entitled to participate), but I'd like to add my endorsement of what John just wrote above me. I wonder if one can be so oblivious to the extremely difficult situation of their own country, and wish death on someone just because they don't share that person's ideas, regardless of the havoc such an event would wreak on the country (not to mention at the international level). Therefore, I can't help thinking such fantasies are a tad disturbing, to say the least. Has hatred for one's adversary become stronger than love for one's own country's welfare? |
Believe it. There are millions of Americans who, as I've mentioned upthread, WILL NOT TOLERATE an Obama presidency. And, since they believe the ballot box has failed them, I have no doubt that many of them will resort to the cartridge box.
The next few years promise to be very interesting (as in the infamous ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times").
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I just hope that some people aren't stupid enough to try and start massive riots or, worst case scenario, a direct attack on the government. Although in all honesty, our political cycle has always gone in cycles, so who's to say that 2010 or 2012 won't bring about another power shift in Washington D.C? Overall though, I guess I'm just worried about a lot of things potentially. Obama won the election clean and fair it seems, so I'm willing to give him a chance. But based on what I know/think of the man, he's going to be on a very short leash for me. |
Hi David, your posts are starting to improve, but I find your 'short leash' metaphor to be possibly 'tell tale'.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 20:21 |
Easy Money wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
zappaholic wrote:
Raff wrote:
I'd rather have stayed out of the discussion (even if, as a future US citizen and the soon-to-be wife of one, I feel entitled to participate), but I'd like to add my endorsement of what John just wrote above me. I wonder if one can be so oblivious to the extremely difficult situation of their own country, and wish death on someone just because they don't share that person's ideas, regardless of the havoc such an event would wreak on the country (not to mention at the international level). Therefore, I can't help thinking such fantasies are a tad disturbing, to say the least. Has hatred for one's adversary become stronger than love for one's own country's welfare? |
Believe it. There are millions of Americans who, as I've mentioned upthread, WILL NOT TOLERATE an Obama presidency. And, since they believe the ballot box has failed them, I have no doubt that many of them will resort to the cartridge box.
The next few years promise to be very interesting (as in the infamous ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times").
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I just hope that some people aren't stupid enough to try and start massive riots or, worst case scenario, a direct attack on the government. Although in all honesty, our political cycle has always gone in cycles, so who's to say that 2010 or 2012 won't bring about another power shift in Washington D.C? Overall though, I guess I'm just worried about a lot of things potentially. Obama won the election clean and fair it seems, so I'm willing to give him a chance. But based on what I know/think of the man, he's going to be on a very short leash for me. |
Hi David, your posts are starting to improve, but I find your 'short leash' metaphor to be possibly 'tell tale'. |
What do you mean by 'tell tale'? If you think I mean that I'm not going to give Obama much of a chance, then you're absolutely right. It's because I disagree with the man on so many issues, not just on politics but on life as well, so naturally I'm probably not going to like him. If you're trying to imply something else, then just say it.
Edited by birdwithteeth11 - November 05 2008 at 20:22
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Vompatti
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 20:23 |
I think McCane will win! 
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Atavachron
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 20:28 |
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 21:27 |
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
zappaholic wrote:
Raff wrote:
I'd rather have stayed out of the discussion (even if, as a future US citizen and the soon-to-be wife of one, I feel entitled to participate), but I'd like to add my endorsement of what John just wrote above me. I wonder if one can be so oblivious to the extremely difficult situation of their own country, and wish death on someone just because they don't share that person's ideas, regardless of the havoc such an event would wreak on the country (not to mention at the international level). Therefore, I can't help thinking such fantasies are a tad disturbing, to say the least. Has hatred for one's adversary become stronger than love for one's own country's welfare? |
Believe it. There are millions of Americans who, as I've mentioned upthread, WILL NOT TOLERATE an Obama presidency. And, since they believe the ballot box has failed them, I have no doubt that many of them will resort to the cartridge box.
The next few years promise to be very interesting (as in the infamous ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times").
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I just hope that some people aren't stupid enough to try and start massive riots or, worst case scenario, a direct attack on the government. Although in all honesty, our political cycle has always gone in cycles, so who's to say that 2010 or 2012 won't bring about another power shift in Washington D.C? Overall though, I guess I'm just worried about a lot of things potentially. Obama won the election clean and fair it seems, so I'm willing to give him a chance. But based on what I know/think of the man, he's going to be on a very short leash for me. |
Hi David, your posts are starting to improve, but I find your 'short leash' metaphor to be possibly 'tell tale'. |
What do you mean by 'tell tale'? If you think I mean that I'm not going to give Obama much of a chance, then you're absolutely right. It's because I disagree with the man on so many issues, not just on politics but on life as well, so naturally I'm probably not going to like him.If you're trying to imply something else, then just say it. |
Don't be doggin him unless you got the bigger bone.
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E-Dub
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 21:44 |
Easy Money wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
zappaholic wrote:
Raff wrote:
I'd rather have stayed out of the discussion (even if, as a future US citizen and the soon-to-be wife of one, I feel entitled to participate), but I'd like to add my endorsement of what John just wrote above me. I wonder if one can be so oblivious to the extremely difficult situation of their own country, and wish death on someone just because they don't share that person's ideas, regardless of the havoc such an event would wreak on the country (not to mention at the international level). Therefore, I can't help thinking such fantasies are a tad disturbing, to say the least. Has hatred for one's adversary become stronger than love for one's own country's welfare? |
Believe it. There are millions of Americans who, as I've mentioned upthread, WILL NOT TOLERATE an Obama presidency. And, since they believe the ballot box has failed them, I have no doubt that many of them will resort to the cartridge box.
The next few years promise to be very interesting (as in the infamous ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times").
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I just hope that some people aren't stupid enough to try and start massive riots or, worst case scenario, a direct attack on the government. Although in all honesty, our political cycle has always gone in cycles, so who's to say that 2010 or 2012 won't bring about another power shift in Washington D.C? Overall though, I guess I'm just worried about a lot of things potentially. Obama won the election clean and fair it seems, so I'm willing to give him a chance. But based on what I know/think of the man, he's going to be on a very short leash for me. |
Hi David, your posts are starting to improve, but I find your 'short leash' metaphor to be possibly 'tell tale'. |
I don't think he meant anything by it. I really don't. It's just an expression. There's no doubt on which side I'm on. I have my reasons and will apologize to nobody. I have a lot of concerns regarding Obama. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad person. I, too, am willing to give him a chance and maybe down the road I'll be proven wrong. For our country's sake, I sure hope I am. E
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 05 2008 at 22:57 |
E-Dub wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
zappaholic wrote:
Raff wrote:
I'd rather have stayed out of the discussion (even if, as a future US citizen and the soon-to-be wife of one, I feel entitled to participate), but I'd like to add my endorsement of what John just wrote above me. I wonder if one can be so oblivious to the extremely difficult situation of their own country, and wish death on someone just because they don't share that person's ideas, regardless of the havoc such an event would wreak on the country (not to mention at the international level). Therefore, I can't help thinking such fantasies are a tad disturbing, to say the least. Has hatred for one's adversary become stronger than love for one's own country's welfare? |
Believe it. There are millions of Americans who, as I've mentioned upthread, WILL NOT TOLERATE an Obama presidency. And, since they believe the ballot box has failed them, I have no doubt that many of them will resort to the cartridge box.
The next few years promise to be very interesting (as in the infamous ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times").
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I just hope that some people aren't stupid enough to try and start massive riots or, worst case scenario, a direct attack on the government. Although in all honesty, our political cycle has always gone in cycles, so who's to say that 2010 or 2012 won't bring about another power shift in Washington D.C? Overall though, I guess I'm just worried about a lot of things potentially. Obama won the election clean and fair it seems, so I'm willing to give him a chance. But based on what I know/think of the man, he's going to be on a very short leash for me. |
Hi David, your posts are starting to improve, but I find your 'short leash' metaphor to be possibly 'tell tale'. |
I don't think he meant anything by it. I really don't. It's just an expression.There's no doubt on which side I'm on. I have my reasons and will apologize to nobody. I have a lot of concerns regarding Obama. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad person. I, too, am willing to give him a chance and maybe down the road I'll be proven wrong. For our country's sake, I sure hope I am.E |
Yawl really don't get play on words do you? Check my above post and it might become clearer. Here's a clue: 'woof woof'.
P.S. ... or possibly this is the tale where the dog ends.
Edited by Easy Money - November 05 2008 at 23:19
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 07:17 |
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 07:54 |
Wel this is my theory and what it is ahem..............Barak Obama has a chance of becoming the next president of the USA. That is my theory and it is mine. 
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E-Dub
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 09:12 |
Easy Money wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
Easy Money wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
zappaholic wrote:
Raff wrote:
I'd rather have stayed out of the discussion (even if, as a future US citizen and the soon-to-be wife of one, I feel entitled to participate), but I'd like to add my endorsement of what John just wrote above me. I wonder if one can be so oblivious to the extremely difficult situation of their own country, and wish death on someone just because they don't share that person's ideas, regardless of the havoc such an event would wreak on the country (not to mention at the international level). Therefore, I can't help thinking such fantasies are a tad disturbing, to say the least. Has hatred for one's adversary become stronger than love for one's own country's welfare? |
Believe it. There are millions of Americans who, as I've mentioned upthread, WILL NOT TOLERATE an Obama presidency. And, since they believe the ballot box has failed them, I have no doubt that many of them will resort to the cartridge box.
The next few years promise to be very interesting (as in the infamous ancient Chinese curse, "May you live in interesting times").
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I just hope that some people aren't stupid enough to try and start massive riots or, worst case scenario, a direct attack on the government. Although in all honesty, our political cycle has always gone in cycles, so who's to say that 2010 or 2012 won't bring about another power shift in Washington D.C? Overall though, I guess I'm just worried about a lot of things potentially. Obama won the election clean and fair it seems, so I'm willing to give him a chance. But based on what I know/think of the man, he's going to be on a very short leash for me. |
Hi David, your posts are starting to improve, but I find your 'short leash' metaphor to be possibly 'tell tale'. |
I don't think he meant anything by it. I really don't. It's just an expression.There's no doubt on which side I'm on. I have my reasons and will apologize to nobody. I have a lot of concerns regarding Obama. That doesn't mean I think he's a bad person. I, too, am willing to give him a chance and maybe down the road I'll be proven wrong. For our country's sake, I sure hope I am.E |
Yawl really don't get play on words do you? Check my above post and it might become clearer. Here's a clue: 'woof woof'.
P.S. ... or possibly this is the tale where the dog ends. |
Woo boy...you really got me. Man, do I have egg on my face. Could've handled it with a bit more tact. Simple mistake. E
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Easy Money
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 09:36 |
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Hey E Dub, there is no egg on your face, we are just having fun, your a good sport though.
P.S. I may have voted for Obama, but I am a big fan of McCain, we would be in much better shape if he had been president the last 8 years.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 10:31 |
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E-Dub
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 11:07 |
Easy Money wrote:
P.S. I may have voted for Obama, but I am a big fan of McCain, we would be in much better shape if he had been president the last 8 years. |
Seems to be the overwhelming consensus from both left and right. It's a pity that the reputation of one man meant the condemnation of another, however. E
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 06 2008 at 14:29 |
Tom Tomorrow:
We’ve
regarded our leaders with dread and anxiety for so long, it has come to
seem like the normal state of things. It has become a chronic pain, so
much a part of our lives that we only really notice it when it subsides
— and suddenly the relief is so overwhelming it becomes a tangible
thing.
After eight years of an administration whose actions
have run the gamut from stupid to venal, we will have a rational
president who believes in things like, say, science. Who can string a succession of words together into a coherent sentence.
I
confess, if McCain had won, my despair for this country would have been
absolute. Instead, the cloud we’ve all been living under for so very
long begins to lift, this morning.
The Republicans tried to
win with hate and fear and division, and instead they failed.
Spectacularly, definitively, repudiated in a landslide. And you know
what I hope, at this moment? That Joe the Plumber becomes a widely-used
symbol for all that has been wrong with America. That tv commentators
invoke his name as shorthand for the politics of stupidity — “Maybe Joe the Plumber
thinks we need to put all the Danish-Americans in internment camps, but
no rational person agrees!” — and a heartfelt chuckle is had by all,
and no more need be said, so universal is the understanding.
I very much want that to be the legacy of Joe the Plumber.
Off
to the wilderness with them all. I have no doubt they’ll claw their way
back eventually, but at the very least we’ve bought ourselves some
breathing room, some time to try to repair the damage they’ve done to
the very foundations of this country.
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