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jammun 
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 Posted: October 30 2008 at 21:17 |
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Emerson. Others more skilled as performers and writers (Corea, for one) but, and I know I am sounding like a broken record, Emerson was the first rock keyboard player to attain status originally reserved for guitarists, bassists, drummers, etc. His influence cannot be underestimated.
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convocation
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 21:23 |
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I am reluctant to reply negatively about Genesis, at least up to "Trick of the Tail", but Banks is really an amateur compared to Emerson. Of course, i would never disagree about the self-indulgence of his symphonic adventures. Still, Emerson is technically and artistically better than Banks can hope to measure up to.
This is only a comparison of two keyboardists, not bands.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 21:44 |
 convocation wrote:
I am reluctant to reply negatively about Genesis, at least up to "Trick of the Tail", but Banks is really an amateur compared to Emerson. Of course, i would never disagree about the self-indulgence of his symphonic adventures. Still, Emerson is technically and artistically better than Banks can hope to measure up to.
This is only a comparison of two keyboardists, not bands.
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I honestly doubt it:
- Technically: I don't know, at that level you can't say who is better, except when the difference is too obvious (As in the case of Moraz), but as far as I know Banks has a more solid classical formation than Keith, being spectacular and pompous is not being better in all cases..
- Artistically: Doubt it more, any person who has writen the music of most of the golden era Genesis songs, is less artist than nobody. As a fact, I believe there's no Emerson or ELP album that compares to Foxtrot or Nursery Cryme, and that's Banks music mostly.
My 2 cents
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 30 2008 at 21:46
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jammun
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 22:22 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
convocation wrote:
I am reluctant to reply negatively about Genesis, at least up to "Trick of the Tail", but Banks is really an amateur compared to Emerson. Of course, i would never disagree about the self-indulgence of his symphonic adventures. Still, Emerson is technically and artistically better than Banks can hope to measure up to.
This is only a comparison of two keyboardists, not bands.
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I honestly doubt it:
- Technically: I don't know, at that level you can't say who is better, except when the difference is too obvious (As in the case of Moraz), but as far as I know Banks has a more solid classical formation than Keith, being spectacular and pompous is not being better in all cases..
- Artistically: Doubt it more, any person who has writen the music of most of the golden era Genesis songs, is less artist than nobody. As a fact, I believe there's no Emerson or ELP album that compares to Foxtrot or Nursery Cryme, and that's Banks music mostly.
My 2 cents
Iván |
Well there may be no ELP album that compares to Genesis' Foxtrot or Nursery Crime (strictly a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact), but at their best (a matter of opinion, again) ELP just is heads above Genesis.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 22:29 |
jammun wrote:
Well there may be no ELP album that compares to Genesis' Foxtrot or Nursery Crime (strictly a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact), but at their best (a matter of opinion, again) ELP just is heads above Genesis. |
That's exactly the point, an agressive post against a memebr of a band some of us love can cause problems, because none of us has the same taste, I could still insist in how superior is Genesis FOR ME, and probably will end in a silly fight.
So before calling a first class musician an amateur, better think in what problems this may cause.
Iván
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 22:30 |
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I agree, Ivan. Let us continue elsewhere. Will you start a thread please? I am interested in discussing this.
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jammun
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 22:37 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
jammun wrote:
Well there may be no ELP album that compares to Genesis' Foxtrot or Nursery Crime (strictly a matter of opinion, not a matter of fact), but at their best (a matter of opinion, again) ELP just is heads above Genesis. |
That's exactly the point, an agressive post against a memebr of a band some of us love can cause problems, because none of us has the same taste, I could still insist in how superior is Genesis FOR ME, and probably will end in a silly fight.
So before calling a first class musician an amateur, better think in what problems this may cause.
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Iván, it was not me who made the statement about Genesis (though I might well have  ). My fault for jumping into the fray. I was just replying in Emerson's favor. I'm not calling any of these musicians amateurs. I already said E does not stand up to Corea as a player or composer, and there is much to question about his musical ethics (topic for a separate post). I still say he was the premier rock keyboard player of the era (and this goes back to the Nice days).
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 22:38 |
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Anyway, before the flames get too rough..
This thread needs more cowbell.
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jammun
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 22:48 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Anyway, before the flames get too rough..
This thread needs more cowbell.
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Dutifully noted, Mississippi Queen queued for play 
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 22:53 |
jammun wrote:
Iván, it was not me who made the statement about Genesis (though I might well have ). My fault for jumping into the fray. I was just replying in Emerson's favor. I'm not calling any of these musicians amateurs. I already said E does not stand up to Corea as a player or composer, and there is much to question about his musical ethics (topic for a separate post). I still say he was the premier rock keyboard player of the era (and this goes back to the Nice days). |
No Jammun, I don't believe your post was harsh, it was your opinion and said in a very educate way.
But if I followed replying, probably somebody with less respect than you (Could be a Genesis or an ELP fanboy), could have caused problems, and all cause by a rude post that wasn't your's.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - October 30 2008 at 22:54
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jammun
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Posted: October 30 2008 at 23:10 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
jammun wrote:
Iván, it was not me who made the statement about Genesis (though I might well have ). My fault for jumping into the fray. I was just replying in Emerson's favor. I'm not calling any of these musicians amateurs. I already said E does not stand up to Corea as a player or composer, and there is much to question about his musical ethics (topic for a separate post). I still say he was the premier rock keyboard player of the era (and this goes back to the Nice days). |
No Jammun, I don't believe your post was harsh, it was your opinion and said in a very educate way.
But if I followed replying, probably somebody with less respect than you (Could be a Genesis or an ELP fanboy), could have caused problems, and all cause by a rude post that wasn't your's.
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Thanks, Iván. I just wanted to make sure it was clear I was calling no one an amateur. I respect all of these bands and their keyboard players, whether I like them or not (well maybe Kansas would be an exception  ). I happen to play keyboards myself and unless we're talking Louie Louie, I unfortunately understand the complexity of their music. Which is why I love prog.
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