The Stranglers???

David: Sure, no matter how tyrannical a new owner was, we would still have legal rights when it comes to intellectual property, but one may have to fight a bit to see one's rights respected.  Considering that we have lawyers on board, it mightn't be much of a struggle.

I know that's the policy here, and a legal position no matter who owned the site, but I've known a case where an owner resisted removing materials that someone had prepared when that person asked that they be removed -- made the claim that because they were prepared for the site (despite being voluntary), they belonged to the site (this was after that person was demoted and hadn't the power to remove them himself).  Never-the-less, the owner relented after a while, though he claimed to know copyright law and that he had a legal position to support the site's right to keeping the materials.  In this case it was an interview and that person had done it officially for the site, so in such a case there was an argument for keeping the materials.  It wouldn't be much of a fight, but a new owner might resist and contest the removal of certain materials. Of course buying the domain/ site would not be the same as buying all the materials here, as they are the intellectual property of those volunteers who prepared them, and cannot be sold, but I could see some potential "ownership" dispute and reluctance....

I had a strange experience at the first board/site I belonged to.  The media company slapped a notice on the site saying that all materials found in the site were their property (this included posts) after the board had been around for seven months or so. Of course they were not in their rights to do so. Then accounts were removed, then later the board and site (after concerns that ideas and stories were being harvested to use in the show) -- actually, they hid the forums, but kept them around for quite a while --  and then ideas/ stories for the show made by members, especially myself as i was most active, found their way into the final season of the show a year or so later.  I was shocked to see how similar the final episode was to a scenario I wrote at the board.  I did not take legal action although I had records on my computer (I saved most of what I wrote at the website).

Anyway, that "there is another possibility" post wasn't meant that seriously.  I meant it to be kind of amusing/ jocular.


Edited by Logan - October 29 2008 at 23:10

BaldFriede wrote: Perhaps Jean overstated it a bit; she is genuinely pissed off. Not by the decision in itself though; what she can't stand is that the team simply decides "no" without giving any reason. And by "any reason" she does not mean a simple "they are not prog"; no, the team should be able to explain the rejection. If the Stranglers are not prog despite their fitting so many of the attributes we associate with prog there should be a pretty strong reason. Now while I am not quite on Jean's side (I would have put the Stranglers into prog-related) I definitely do see her point. And I am actually curious about the complete rejection myself. The site should be transparent, in my opinion.

Sean Trane wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Perhaps Jean overstated it a bit; she is genuinely pissed off. Not by the decision in itself though; what she can't stand is that the team simply decides "no" without giving any reason. And by "any reason" she does not mean a simple "they are not prog"; no, the team should be able to explain the rejection. If the Stranglers are not prog despite their fitting so many of the attributes we associate with prog there should be a pretty strong reason. Now while I am not quite on Jean's side (I would have put the Stranglers into prog-related) I definitely do see her point. And I am actually curious about the complete rejection myself. The site should be transparent, in my opinion. Hi Jean & Friede,   No doubt you two are aware that The Strangler's boderline punk "belonging" movement (although they were rejected by many inside the movement as were The Police) make it almost impossible for a prog site to include them into a full-prog category. Even Crossover Prog sounds very difficult if we want that category getting considered as a second prog-related     If I understand well, you two (Jean mainly) wouldn't see a "prog-related inlusion" for The Stranglers as satisfactory solution. I as a Strangler fan would see them perfectly in that category, sitting next to Bowie, Zep, Roxy Music, Be Bop Deluxe etc..... I mean this is companionship that Cornwell himself wouldn't oppose and even gladfully agree  (JJ Burnell's ok is likely harder and negative)

I am of the opinion that only the music counts and nothing else. it is not of any interest where some journalists and music moguls tried to put them. I checked the list of attributes we associate with prog, and it speaks volumes, in my opinion. and I repeat what I said in a previous post: if we don't go by our own checklist, then we lose credibility.
I am satisfied though that my status as prog reviewer has been removed. if my opinion of what prog is differs that much from the general opinion of this site I can't be trusted as prog reviewer and hence should not have that status