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maani
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Posted: September 18 2004 at 17:10 |
All:
Well...given that, for most people, prog keyboard begins and ends with Emerson and Wakeman, almost everyone else is underrated (with the exception of Moraz, who is wildly overrated, Jobson, who is highly overrated, and Hammer, who is somewhat overrated).
So, for my money, the most underrated keyboardists are:
Tony Banks (Genesis). Overall, the single most underrated keyboardist ever. For goodness sakes, he helped "make" one of the two top bands on this site!!
Kerry Minnear (Gentle Giant). If Tony Banks didn't exist, Minnear would unarguably be the most underrated keyboardist in music history. The guy is simply a genius, and plays every type of keyboard equally well - and equally tastefully.
Tony Kaye (Yes). I'm shocked - shocked! - that everyone has forgotten the man who originally helped "make" Yes, including being perhaps the true driving force behind "The Yes Album," an undeniable prog masterpiece.
Rick Wright (Pink Floyd). See my comments re Minnear. Although Waters and Gilmour dominated the band, where would Floyd be without its textures and atmopsheres, which are largely a product of Wright's keyboards?
Mike Pindar (The Moody Blues). One could argue that almost every prog keyboardist owes something to Pindar, since he predates all but Wright.
Alan "Taff" Freeman (Nektar). The original keyboardist. Just listen to his work on "A Tab in the Ocean," "Remember the Future," "Down to Earth," and "Recycled," and tell me this guy is not sadly - sadly! - underrated.
Fabrizio Puglisi (Deus ex Machina). By the mere fact that everyone is this band are among the best players in the world right now, Puglisi rates.
Finally, there is one keyboardist (pianist) whom no one has mentioned, but who really is highly underrated: Freddie Mercury. (One could also include Elton.)
Peace.
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goose
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Posted: September 18 2004 at 18:27 |
It took me quite a while to even work out that it was Freddie playing pianos on their CDs. Granted, I'm not particularly aquainted with Queen's work in general, but I spent a few day's at a friend's house who blasted their best of almost continuously, and yet nowhere did it mention the pianist. I think it was allmusic that finally revealed the answer.
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gdub411
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Posted: September 18 2004 at 18:45 |
I second Tony Banks......
but also Hugh Banton of VdGG....he had a huge role to play since there were no guitars in much of their music....a huge task that he accomplished quite adequately!!!!
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threefates
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Posted: September 18 2004 at 18:57 |
I could of sworn that Tony Kaye and Rick Wright were already mentioned in previous posts...
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Dick Heath
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Posted: September 18 2004 at 19:46 |
maani wrote:
Hammer, who is somewhat overrated.
Tony Kaye
(Yes). I'm shocked - shocked! - that everyone has forgotten the man
who originally helped "make" Yes, including being perhaps the true
driving force behind "The Yes Album," an undeniable prog masterpiece.
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Sorry Maani
Can't agree with you there with these two. Jan Hammer was/is a master
keyboard player (the low point, when he made his money, was the Miami
Vice and the other TV theme stuff - alas is that what Eddie Jobson is
reduced to nowadays?). Through the 70's his distinctive sound
especially on mini-moog was instantly recognisable. He raised
Jeff Beck's game and many other good/excellent rock guitarist - and was
the
driving force on perhaps the last jazz rock album of the 70's before
jazz rock became jazz fusion, Al DiMeola's Scenario (btw not my
own
assessment but a music critic, with whom I agreement) . Unfortunately I
missed Beck and Hammer touring the UK earlier this year but I'm told
they were fantastic.
Tony Kaye wanted to play the Hammond organ not the new fangled synths, to retain more of a blues-rock sound in Yes - his subsequent One Live Badger
demonstrates that desire to a greater degree. The first two Yes albums
are favorites but there were a lot better around at that time. It
needed something extra to propel Yes into the top rank and turn that
difficult third album, into a album a large quantum jump ahead of the
first two, a masterpiece. It was Steve Howe who injected that special
something into Yes, which started with his tenure in the psychedelic Tomorrow and honed in Bodast
(check some of the Bodast recordings to hear many of the classic Howe
riffs made more famous with Yes). When I saw Yes less than a month
after The Yes Album
was released, it was notable for Howe and Squire's domination in the
solos and instrumental duets, while Kaye filled in at the back, having
a small fraction of the time up front. From that performance it was no
surprise that Kaye was replaced.
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dropForge
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Posted: September 18 2004 at 21:07 |
Dick - ditto! Hammer...underrated? A laughable concept! Hammer is one of my alltime fave keyboardists, and he knew how to really burn on an analog mono-synth...to the point where he pretty much became my fave soloist on a Minimoog (yes, even over Wakey & Emo!). People who don't believe me should pick up the reissue of Time Is Free...
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Lunarscape
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 10:21 |
2-3 years ago the Keyboard Magazine released a list of the 25 biggest keyboard players of all times; MAN what a blast, Tori Amos, Elton John and Billy Joel was on the list but no Vangelis, no Kitaro, no Tony Banks, no Tony Kaye and no Richard Wright, just to say a few examples.
This could go on and on, but lets stick to Prog Rock and to the least just mention a few guys that have made this side of the moon a bit brigther: Rick van Der Linden, Thjis van Leer (the absolute King of the Hammond Organ) Peter Barden, Jon Tout, Hans Jurgen Fritz, and Tony Kaye.
What I wanted to know is who are then the top keyboard players and where is the bottonline ?
Does Jon Lord fit here ? Ken Hensley ? Gayle Moran (when with Mahavishnu Orchestra) ? Vangelis underrated ? He is IMO the greatest of all, the true GOD of keyboards....
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Dan Bobrowski
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 10:33 |
Sorry manni,
Hammer was, at least, deserving of his rating. There and Back, Wired and Scenario are awesome. He was an effective foil for Jeff and Big Al.
Being the Queen fan that I am, I'm embarrassed that I forgot Freddie. "Seven Seas of Rhye" was thrilling.
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Garion81
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 12:31 |
danbo wrote:
Sorry manni,
Hammer was, at least, deserving of his rating. There and Back, Wired and Scenario are awesome. He was an effective foil for Jeff and Big Al.
Being the Queen fan that I am, I'm embarrassed that I forgot Freddie. "Seven Seas of Rhye" was thrilling.
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Don't forget John McLaughlin's Mahavishnu Orchestra! The original Orchestra included Jan Hammer!
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Reed Lover
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 13:02 |
Don Airey, especially with Collosseum II and Rainbow,but also some wonderful prog-style keys on Cozy Powell's Over The Top Album! The man is very talented, equally at home with pop, jazz-rock and prog, but seems to have disappeared (unless he's back with Gary Moore?) Does anyone know what he's up to these days. I remember an interview years ago where he talked about doing a classical style album (he'd just done the 1812 Overture thing with Cozy)-did this ever happen and if so can anyone provide me with info?
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dropForge
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Posted: September 24 2004 at 22:57 |
I thought Don Airey replaced Jon Lord in Deep Purple.
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lucas
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Posted: September 25 2004 at 05:53 |
Another under-appreciated keyboardist : Kevin Gilbert.
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