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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:22 |
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Bern
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:26 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Bern wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
Can I say "Because they're extremely overrated" each time I take points from Rush?
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Way to state your opinion, Rob. Care to back it up?
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I think that was originally Bern.
Anyway, the over-rated point.
1. I don't think Rush are a bad band, per se. 2. I could really fully explain why I dislike the lyrics a lot of the time; it often sounds to me like they're trying too hard (main e.g. Free will, Hemispheres). Going to leave it at not liking them for the moment. 3. Rush are often considered virtuoso players. I can't see it. They're all capable, and their talents are usually shown off a lot, but I still find people like Barriemore Barlowe, Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond or Guy Evans more distinctive and interesting players, even if they're raved about less. 4. Geddy Lee won a best keyboard player poll. 5. The others here are among my favourite bands and have all done a fair bit of truly ultra-pioneering work. I can't really say the same for Rush. Always considered them more artistic than progressive.
Basically, I don't dislike them, and Caress of Steel is a real favourite of mine, I just can't really see why people are so devoted to them, or why Peart keeps getting more votes than Carl Palmer in best drummer ever polls.
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That was originally me indeed.
I agree with everything Rob said. Put Rush in a poll in progarchives with mostly any question and you'll see what I mean by saying they're overrated too.
And BTW Alex, I've seen them live 2 times (+dvds). While they put on an awesome show, their post-80s stuff is definitely more artistic than it is prog. Thus, saying they're the best prog band ever doesn't work for me. And I hate all the praise I saw about Peart's famous drum solo in live YYZ. He just does the same thing every time. It's cool the first 2-3 times.
I'm no Rush hater actually. They do have good songs.
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I respect your opinion. I do agree their post-80s material is more artistic than prog (I still love it), and I never say they're the best prog band ever, just my favorite band. They would not be as representative of prog as say, King Crimson, and I never said I think Rush is the best prog band.
I love Peart's drum solos, but you're entitled to your opinion.
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I wasn't talking about you there though. I was talking about progarchives in general. I've seen tons of poll like that won by Rush. You're entitled to your opinion too. After all, you eliminated VdGG.
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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Bern
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:27 |
Gentle Giant 19 Jethro Tull 35 King Crimson 32
Because the vocal harmonies in On Reflection are so good.
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:27 |
Bern wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Bern wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
TGM: Orb wrote:
Can I say "Because they're extremely overrated" each time I take points from Rush?
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Way to state your opinion, Rob. Care to back it up?
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I think that was originally Bern.
Anyway, the over-rated point.
1. I don't think Rush are a bad band, per se. 2. I could really fully explain why I dislike the lyrics a lot of the time; it often sounds to me like they're trying too hard (main e.g. Free will, Hemispheres). Going to leave it at not liking them for the moment. 3. Rush are often considered virtuoso players. I can't see it. They're all capable, and their talents are usually shown off a lot, but I still find people like Barriemore Barlowe, Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond or Guy Evans more distinctive and interesting players, even if they're raved about less. 4. Geddy Lee won a best keyboard player poll. 5. The others here are among my favourite bands and have all done a fair bit of truly ultra-pioneering work. I can't really say the same for Rush. Always considered them more artistic than progressive.
Basically, I don't dislike them, and Caress of Steel is a real favourite of mine, I just can't really see why people are so devoted to them, or why Peart keeps getting more votes than Carl Palmer in best drummer ever polls.
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That was originally me indeed.
I agree with everything Rob said. Put Rush in a poll in progarchives with mostly any question and you'll see what I mean by saying they're overrated too.
And BTW Alex, I've seen them live 2 times (+dvds). While they put on an awesome show, their post-80s stuff is definitely more artistic than it is prog. Thus, saying they're the best prog band ever doesn't work for me. And I hate all the praise I saw about Peart's famous drum solo in live YYZ. He just does the same thing every time. It's cool the first 2-3 times.
I'm no Rush hater actually. They do have good songs.
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I respect your opinion. I do agree their post-80s material is more artistic than prog (I still love it), and I never say they're the best prog band ever, just my favorite band. They would not be as representative of prog as say, King Crimson, and I never said I think Rush is the best prog band.
I love Peart's drum solos, but you're entitled to your opinion.
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I wasn't talking about you there though. I was talking about progarchives in general. I've seen tons of poll like that won by Rush.
You're entitled to your opinion too. After all, you eliminated VdGG.
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Well, I actually didn't plan on doing it so immediately but David was starting it so I went along with it since I wanted to get rid of heavy competition again.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:29 |
I really don't know which order these should go in now, so I'm kinda just randomly picking and going with something.
Gentle Giant 19 Jethro Tull 35 King Crimson 30
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Bern
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:35 |
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Yeah me neither so I'm evening things out.
Gentle Giant because Kerry Minnear is really good.
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:37 |
He is really good. Gentle Giant 21Jethro Tull 35 King Crimson 28
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Bern
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:49 |
Gentle Giant 23Jethro Tull 35 King Crimson 28Because of this :
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:52 |
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Bern
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:55 |
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Where do you think you're going there Alex?
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 13:56 |
I love all 3 to death, but one of them has to die. I'm not sure which one should. Gentle Giant 21Jethro Tull 35 King Crimson 28
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Bern
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 14:00 |
Gentle Giant 21Jethro Tull 33King Crimson 28Yeah one has to die indeed.
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RIP in bossa nova heaven.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 14:01 |
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Edited by MovingPictures07 - October 18 2008 at 14:01
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crimhead
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 14:03 |
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 14:22 |
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LinusW
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 15:56 |
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 15:57 |
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StyLaZyn
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 16:09 |
Wow...from such a commanding lead, Rush to disappear so quickly. They were ganged up on obviously. What a shame.
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MovingPictures07
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 16:10 |
StyLaZyn wrote:
Wow...from such a commanding lead, Rush to disappear so quickly. They were ganged up on obviously. What a shame. |
Indeed.
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LinusW
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Posted: October 18 2008 at 17:50 |
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