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Vibrationbaby 
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 Posted: August 25 2008 at 10:38 |
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Well I just made my way from my rocking chair ot on the porch with old Duke in tow to my computer which dates from the mid sixteenth centuty. `68-`76 definitely were THE years of prog/art rock, whatever you want to call it with `73 being the Zenith. Of course some excellent bands have popped up since such as Marillion and Anekdoten while other older bands survived the onslaught of the evil forces of punk and disco. Jethro Tull, King Crimson ( it`s not over `till it`s over ) Yes, The Strawbs and even Genesis and others.This topic is been covered before so I won`t go into my usual rant except to add that some newer bands from the Russian Federation should be checked out such as Disen-Gage and Kostarev Group ( which isn`t really that new ) Another new band that plays in the old prog tradition is Shadow Circus from New York who are also represented on PA. Back to the porch c`mon Duke.
Edited by Vibrationbaby - August 25 2008 at 11:12
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VCG
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 11:08 |
 PinkPangolin wrote:
The 60's and 70's were groundbreaking and new, so really for Prog that was the best era. Who would have thought that we had Chuck Berry and Elvis at the end of the fifties and within 10 years we had Pink Floyd, King Crimson, and tremendous advances in music beyond belief in such a short time.
The 80's were a hideous down turn. 80's music is hideous rubbish (sorry)
There were some very good improvements in the 90's
But now - in the 2000's - we are at an exciting new stage - Prog music has developed well from its roots and is much more diverse now, with much better production and recording facilities + some of the musicianship is awesome because it is always trying to be better. Also - it is no longer embarrasing to like it, it is more respected now than it has been for 30 years or more. A new tidal wave of Progressive music is coming in, with bands like Oceansize, Opeth, Amplifier, Mars Volta, Sigur Ros, Porcupine Tree, Pineapple Thief (to name but a very few) leading the way.
The cheese has gone, and now we have an incredibly wide range of music that no other genre can even hope to get near! It's exciting I tell you!
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well said. Bands like oceansize and porcupine tree are the best examples from this new prog era. I dunno if what's going on will be the most respect moment, but i'm pretty sure that is the most free way of good compositions, IMO.
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 11:21 |
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Back when fusion jazz started becoming the rave back in the early seventies many jazz purists loathed it. There was this old guy who ran the jazz section in the old Sam The Record Man in Montréal who even hated it when people would ask him where the Return To Forever or Mahavishnu Orchestra sections were. He had them hidden in the back and would even get hostile towards customers when they tried to talk to him about fusion. I guess I feel the same way towards some of these newer bands such as Tool, The Mars Volta and Porcupine Tree. Just depends on what you grew up with.
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alanerc
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Posted: August 25 2008 at 12:56 |
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The 70's of course
No doubt about it
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King Crimson776
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Posted: August 26 2008 at 03:38 |
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I'm pretty split, MORE great prog came out in the 70's, but some of my favorite bands came out in the 90's and 00's.
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Posted: August 26 2008 at 03:56 |
VCG wrote:
for example, look at Uriah heep. the album demons and wizards is pretty cool, but the new album wake the sleeper is awesome, cuz the instruments got a good production, and i think that demons and wizards could be so good than it if they make a remaster version.
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I think "Demons and Wizards" would be better if there was some Prog on it 
For me, the most interesting Prog era is the Progressive music scene (approx 1966-68) that preceeded Prog Rock proper, as that was when the experimentation started - but the "best", without question, is the 1969-73 timeframe, as it's the richest seam of the most prolific musical development - experimentation not for its own sake, but for the sake of creating "better" music.
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npjnpj
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Posted: August 26 2008 at 04:15 |
I'm lucky to have been around and old enough to have appreciated the Prog of the late 60's and early 70's, but when it comes down to which era, I'm pretty sure that in my view the present output seems to be the best.
The problem is that in contrast to a few decades ago, there's so much Prog and quasi-Prog about, it can get difficult to sift through the mediocre to reach the truly great.
I'm also quite sure that a lot of old material receives an age- and pioneering bonus, that often doesn't justify its actual quality, meaning that a lot of classic albums, were they released today, would possibly bomb pretty badly (I'm looking at you: Close to the Edge).
But then again, who knows what the state of Prog (if at all) would be nowadays, if these albums hadn't been made.
But I'm digressing: For me, nothing beats a LOT of present-day albums.
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Darklord55
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Posted: August 26 2008 at 07:58 |
In my High School days some of my favorites bands were Yes, Jethro Tull, King Crimson, Zappa, and a few others. After discovering this site a few years ago, I realized I missed out on a bunch of bands from the 70's and have since discovered bands from each era which have become some of my favorites. For example, Porcupine Tree. To acutally say which era is the best is quite difficult for me.
To sum it up, I am very thankful I got the chance to find about all the music I was missing and the current prog scene which to me is excellent. Right now, I have no favorite era. I like the old and the new. Cheers!!
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theblastocyst
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Posted: August 26 2008 at 22:30 |
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1969-1973 was the best 5 year block of music during the 20th Century
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AlexUC
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Posted: August 27 2008 at 20:38 |
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This is just a generalization, not all the bands fit here, but I think the big part
69-77: The best classic prog era, the definition of what prog really is.
78-88: A very weak era in the prog scene from what I see. The commercial boom and the inclusion of pop.
89-98: The prog metal boom. Tech metal bands, eclectic prog metal bands, symphonic prog metal bands.
98-now: Rebirth and redefinition of what prog is. Experimental bands (a new level in progression), post rock/metal bands, explosion of avant-garde styles, fussion of classic prog and new ideas, etc..
I think that right now we're in the most sensational prog era, and that's natural, since we're talking about progressive music, so, theorically, the new music should be the most interesting and prolific since it has the compilation of all the ideas and styles and whatever
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trackstoni
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Posted: August 28 2008 at 01:21 |
following progressive activities since 1968 , and witnissing for the truth , i believe that there was no golden age for progressive and never will be . In 1982 , i thought that prog was made to disapear , but bands like Marillion were able to resist the flow of weird manias such as New Wave , punk , disco , etc .....
In the 90's , bands like Porcupine Tree , Opeth , Dreamtheater , Symphony x , Therion , and so many others were able to carry on , by releasing excellent albums in different shapes . It's Progressive music no doubt ( one genre ) , but different styles .
-- for psychadelic - underground and progressive heavy rock , prog folk rock , 1965 - 1971 was the golden age . -- crossover Prog , space rock , symphonic prog , and jazz - rock fusions 1969 - 1979 -
-- canterbury 1968 - 1978 - electronic prog - experimental 1973 - 1980 .
But the years 1969 -1971 - 1972 - 1973 - 1974 - 1975 , 1978 - 1979 - 1982 - 1985 was the best years in prog music . Approximatly all giants were compiting at that period to produce the best Masterpieces . and surely the old proggers will agree on this . 1970 was the perfect year for the major bands involved in this movement , and the most creative year . So , this movement has never stopped from creating excellent releases , there was ups & downs , excellent & bad releases for all bands involved in this genre of music , but , our problem was & still that we cannot simply compare about bands , we can compare about line - ups & eras , and , about their works . So , who's better in your opinion Van Der Graaf or King Crimson ????
Pink Floyd or Caravan ???? Genesis or Yes ?? Porcupine tree or Dreamtheater ???
There's no answer for this questions , and never will be , they've all had their good and bad moments ,
but still , progressive rock music has been made to carry on ! TracksToni
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ignatiusrielly
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 15:20 |
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Thereīs no doubt that albums being recorded today sound far better than ones from the 70īs, and the mucisians level of technicality has improved, but I think the songs were somehow better back then. But who knows, I am getting older so donīt trust me. And remember that with modern technology you donīt need to be a great musician to sound great (sometimes you donīt even need to be a musician!!!)
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trackstoni
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Posted: September 12 2008 at 15:50 |
i'm really proud of you , all members involved in this forum , nothing more to say about the best Era in progressive rock history , past & present are much alike & similar , except the techcology changes .
Some of you , fellows progheads gave the right definitions about this questions , and maybe more than just opinions , still what was posted above , from all of yu , dear friends , was more than relief to me , at the right time , in the right place ( PA ) , specially Ignatiusrielly , AlexUC , Blastocyst , and surely Certif1ied comment & opinion . Keep on the good work my friends , cause our taste depends only on our judgements & opinions about these stuff ......... Best Regards from Lebanon ///// TracksToni //////
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Vibrationbaby
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Posted: September 13 2008 at 03:54 |
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Everyone knows the mid-sixteenth century was the golden era of prog.
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Posted: September 13 2008 at 06:07 |
Finnforest wrote:
The '70s and '60 because it was groundbreaking, the '70s because of the sheer quality and daring nature of the artists. Content will always trump "production qualities" in my book. I love PLENTY of new bands, but as a period the '70s will not be topped historically. JMO. |
That's it exactly, groundbreaking is the word which if you were around at the time made it so exciting. While some bands have taken it other places since the leaps in progression and originallity are not as big.
Having said that the present era is a great time to be a Prog fan.
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crimson87
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Posted: September 13 2008 at 14:15 |
The 70's were the best , it's so obvious.
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Lionheart
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Posted: September 17 2008 at 06:08 |
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I gotta give my vote to the 70's.
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kerosineboy
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Posted: September 19 2008 at 22:49 |
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As someone who has only recently returned to the fold where prog is concerned I am well pleased that there is a whole new scene to discover. After re buying all the classics I used to own on vinyl by bands such as Van der Graaf, Gentle Giant, Crimson, Yes etc. I started to buy music from current bands such as Anekdoten, Carptree, Porcupine Tree, Beardfish, Ritual, Quidam and Riverside. Ive been impressed with the new wave of prog particularly Anekdoten and Porcupine Tree. I think 80s and 90s were not the best for prog but there were other forms of music that were interesting during those decades if you dig deep enough. However Gentle Giant are still my favourite band of all time. Anyone else noticed how much good music is coming from the Sweedish prog scene at the moment?
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trackstoni
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Posted: September 20 2008 at 00:53 |
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The Answer lives Among Us , Do you feel its presence ? in fact I Do !! I Believe I've Earned my Sence of Judgement , and also Believe that most of you Did ........... Quote < the More You Know , the Less you Need > .............. TracksToni
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Dean
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Posted: September 20 2008 at 06:19 |
The best Prog era is from 1967 to the present day, (and hopefully long into the future). I cannot isolate one brief moment in time as being the pinnacle or even the nadir of that timespan, it's all good to me.
Yes, we've had our ups and downs, but let's be real here: the lows of Prog are still higher than the highs of many other genres I can think of. And I can happily mix the old favourites and progressive 'Standards' with the formative years, the middle years and the later years, (and indeed, with any luck, the future years), and I can gain listening pleasure from all of them. If I can play Days Of Future Past, Relayer, Dark Side Of The Moon, Script For A Jester's Tear, Masquerade Overture, Amarok, OK Computer, The Sky Moves Sideways, The Perfect Element and Ghost Reveries on the same day then I know I've had a good day; When I can dip into my record collection not know whether to choose between Magma, Crimson, Tangerine Dream, Rush, IQ, Dream Theater or Ayreon then I'm happy in my dilemma and equally pleased with whatever I pick; If I can put my iPod on shuffle and hear tracks from Wishbone Ash, Sigur Ros, Bardo Pond, OHM, Steve Vai, Ahvak, Immune, VdGG, The Dear Hunter, Muse, Tull, Hawkwind, Gong, Kaleidoscope and The Flower Kings I can see that all is well with the world. To me the 40+ years of Progressive Rock is a huge sweetie jar filled with choice nuggets of every age and flavour.
It is the nature of progression, to progress. Many will say that Progressive Rock does not mean that the bands should be progressive in the literal sense, but that does not mean that the genre cannot progress, move on, develop, continue to be creative and (dare I say) experimental and I take pleasure in embracing much of that invention but won't get upset should it be regressive or reflective.
All hail Prog Rock in all it's shades and hues. 
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