| Author |
 Topic Search  Topic Options
|
MovingPictures07 
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Beasty Heart
Status: Offline
Points: 32181
|
 Posted: September 15 2008 at 22:51 |
|
|
|
|
 |
Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 22:52 |
|
If more albums were mastered like GR, man that would kick ass.
|
|
|
|
MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Beasty Heart
Status: Offline
Points: 32181
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 22:53 |
|
Most prog is produced and mastered pretty well... and I'm pretty open-minded when it comes to older production.
One thing that always bugged me though was something like the production of Genesis's Nursery Cryme. I always thought that album would sound infinitely better with an even slightly less old production.
|
|
|
|
MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Beasty Heart
Status: Offline
Points: 32181
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 22:53 |
 HughesJB4 wrote:
If more albums were mastered like GR, man that would kick ass.
|
Definitely. 
|
|
|
|
horsewithteeth11
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Kentucky
Status: Offline
Points: 24598
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 22:55 |
|
|
|
|
|
Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 22:55 |
|
Yeah.
Well for me, in terms of modern production, I like the best mix possible, with perhaps the guitars ever so slightly louder than everything else (helps especially if I'm trying to learn a song for example), no excess compression, and that whole "make it sound like trash to sound trendy" is a load of crap, I want it at least reasonably polished.
|
|
|
|
MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Beasty Heart
Status: Offline
Points: 32181
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 22:56 |
|
Porcupine Tree's albums also hit me as having really good mastering and production. Ozrics are another example.
|
|
|
|
MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Beasty Heart
Status: Offline
Points: 32181
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 22:57 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Yeah.
Well for me, in terms of modern production, I like the best mix possible, with perhaps the guitars ever so slightly louder than everything else (helps especially if I'm trying to learn a song for example), no excess compression, and that whole "make it sound like trash to sound trendy" is a load of crap, I want it at least reasonably polished.
|
Yeah, I agree with you there to an extent. I'm not too picky, and it all depends on what I'm listening to. I just don't want it to sound like crap; the mastering needs to feel natural for the type of music.
|
|
|
|
Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 22:59 |
The problem is, many sound engineers know that it sounds best at a certain level, but dumb ass record company executives are of the opinion louder=better  The more people we can get to realize what good production truly is, perhaps this situation can change slightly at the least. As long as we have way too many people shutting off their minds and listening to pop music with max compression and overloads of bass, things aren't looking pretty 
|
|
|
|
MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Beasty Heart
Status: Offline
Points: 32181
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:01 |
|
|
|
|
|
Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:07 |
|
Well, I know when I finally get around to making some quality recordings, I want the levels similar to something like GR.
Music needs breathing space for dynamics. To many people. especially many musicians like myself, dynamics is pretty important. I like that idea when after say, a quiet acoustic guitar interlude, when the full band kicks back it all goes louder like it should for more impact, but with overcompressed records, unfortunately that is not the case.
Going with a small label, or having the knowledge to make it yourself (and believe me, good production is something akin to an art form, which is why many bands leave that kind of thing up to a real sound engineer), is the only way to really getting it how you want in many cases.
As much as I hate to say it, we do rely on record companies to a certain extent. There is still good music being released on major labels
|
|
|
|
MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Beasty Heart
Status: Offline
Points: 32181
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:10 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
Well, I know when I finally get around to making some quality recordings, I want the levels similar to something like GR.
Music needs breathing space for dynamics. To many people. especially many musicians like myself, dynamics is pretty important. I like that idea when after say, a quiet acoustic guitar interlude, when the full band kicks back it all goes louder like it should for more impact, but with overcompressed records, unfortunately that is not the case.
Going with a small label, or having the knowledge to make it yourself (and believe me, good production is something akin to an art form, which is why many bands leave that kind of thing up to a real sound engineer), is the only way to really getting it how you want in many cases.
As much as I hate to say it, we do rely on record companies to a certain extent. There is still good music being released on major labels
|
Yeah, you do definitely have a point. I still stand by my idea that a privatized music business would be ideal for the musicians though, as that would probably be the best option. Unfortunately, most musicians don't know enough about making it themselves. Admittedly, I know hardly anything about producing my music. I simply record it and edit the sound as much as I can with my novice tools available in my free recording software. It'd be nice to have access to better recording materials one of these days, but I'm taking it one step at a time.
|
|
|
|
heyitsthatguy
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 17 2006
Location: Washington Hgts
Status: Offline
Points: 10094
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:11 |
|
I actually didn't like how Ghost Reveries sounded compared to the previous few albums
but if you stop working with Steve Wilson then that happens
Ghost Reveries doesn't sound bad though, just the guitar doesn't have as much bite as I'd like it to
Watershed was waaay too dense at points
|
|
|
|
MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Beasty Heart
Status: Offline
Points: 32181
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:12 |
|
Well, I'm getting tired. I think I'm out for the night.
Take care!
|
|
|
|
horsewithteeth11
Prog Reviewer
Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Kentucky
Status: Offline
Points: 24598
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:15 |
|
See ya Alex.
|
|
|
|
Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:16 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
Well, I know when I finally get around to making some quality recordings, I want the levels similar to something like GR.
Music needs breathing space for dynamics. To many people. especially many musicians like myself, dynamics is pretty important. I like that idea when after say, a quiet acoustic guitar interlude, when the full band kicks back it all goes louder like it should for more impact, but with overcompressed records, unfortunately that is not the case.
Going with a small label, or having the knowledge to make it yourself (and believe me, good production is something akin to an art form, which is why many bands leave that kind of thing up to a real sound engineer), is the only way to really getting it how you want in many cases.
As much as I hate to say it, we do rely on record companies to a certain extent. There is still good music being released on major labels
|
Yeah, you do definitely have a point. I still stand by my idea that a privatized music business would be ideal for the musicians though, as that would probably be the best option. Unfortunately, most musicians don't know enough about making it themselves. Admittedly, I know hardly anything about producing my music. I simply record it and edit the sound as much as I can with my novice tools available in my free recording software. It'd be nice to have access to better recording materials one of these days, but I'm taking it one step at a time.
|
Well, at best, I could get a reasonably good mix, decent levels, but I'm not quite at the level of getting it sounding particularly amazing. I mean, Steven Wilson, is by no means a virtuoso player (although a gifted song writer though, which I guess more than makes up for that fact), but geezus, the fact he produce his own stuff, with great mixing and mastering, is more amazing than many people realize given he is known for the most part as a musician.
|
|
|
|
Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:17 |
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Well, I'm getting tired. I think I'm out for the night.
Take care!
|
Cya.
|
|
|
|
heyitsthatguy
Forum Senior Member
Joined: April 17 2006
Location: Washington Hgts
Status: Offline
Points: 10094
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:18 |
HughesJB4 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
HughesJB4 wrote:
Well, I know when I finally get around to making some quality recordings, I want the levels similar to something like GR.
Music needs breathing space for dynamics. To many people. especially many musicians like myself, dynamics is pretty important. I like that idea when after say, a quiet acoustic guitar interlude, when the full band kicks back it all goes louder like it should for more impact, but with overcompressed records, unfortunately that is not the case.
Going with a small label, or having the knowledge to make it yourself (and believe me, good production is something akin to an art form, which is why many bands leave that kind of thing up to a real sound engineer), is the only way to really getting it how you want in many cases.
As much as I hate to say it, we do rely on record companies to a certain extent. There is still good music being released on major labels
|
Yeah, you do definitely have a point. I still stand by my idea that a privatized music business would be ideal for the musicians though, as that would probably be the best option. Unfortunately, most musicians don't know enough about making it themselves. Admittedly, I know hardly anything about producing my music. I simply record it and edit the sound as much as I can with my novice tools available in my free recording software. It'd be nice to have access to better recording materials one of these days, but I'm taking it one step at a time.
|
Well, at best, I could get a reasonably good mix, decent levels, but I'm not quite at the level of getting it sounding particularly amazing.
I mean, Steven Wilson, is by no means a virtuoso player (although a gifted song writer though, which I guess more than makes up for that fact), but geezus, the fact he produce his own stuff, with great mixing and mastering, is more amazing than many people realize given he is known for the most part as a musician.
|
Steve Wilson was actually one of my main inspirations (or helped seal the deal) of going into audio recording at college 
|
|
|
|
Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: December 24 2007
Location: Ukraine
Status: Offline
Points: 25210
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:22 |
|
Ain't surprised there.
If only he played another guitar brand though *sigh*
|
|
|
|
Mikerinos
Forum Senior Member
Joined: August 11 2005
Location: Planet Gong
Status: Offline
Points: 8890
|
Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:37 |
My new job rocks, I just sit here, getting paid minimum wage listening to The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band and Kate Bush and doing minimum work. 
|
|
|
|
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.
/PAlogo_v2.gif "Progarchives.com Homepage")
Suede Room 4: The Bassoon Hero Lounge
