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progrules
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Topic: Nostradamus/BreathingSpace/Nemezis/Moonrise+more! Posted: October 27 2008 at 10:09 |
I just ran into this topic because I was looking for one about this band Kramer. I have this disk for quite some time now and I agree with Erics review, if you like the style this is really enjoyable stuff. I think Kramer should be on PA definitely. But my doubts are in between Symphonic prog and Neo although there is some truth in waht Fandango is saying. But this is prog one way or another for sure.
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E-Dub
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Posted: September 07 2008 at 08:41 |
Listening to Moonrise right now and they're definitely neo. No question about it. I'll see if my cohorts have given them a listen. Going to check our Nemezis next. E |
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Angelo
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13244 |
Posted: September 06 2008 at 19:07 |
Let's use the night to cool off a bit here, gentlemen. I'm not going to argue the validity of either of your points, but this is going nowhere. Please switch to PMs if you want to continue this discussion - it doesn't belong in the public forum the way it runs just now.
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ISKC Rock Radio
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: September 06 2008 at 17:47 |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 06 2008 at 17:11 |
Ivan, more than one year ago I posted several new and promising progrock bands in the Suggested Bands thread, Canvas was one of these bands so don't suggest that I don't want to post or talk because I have done my best to present interesting new progrock bands. But if the teams don't pick up these bands (like Canvas, Mark Varney Project, Vlad V, Mass Media..,) it's a pity for PA and it's also a pity that many progheads are very enthousiastic about My Lesser Known And Unknown New Progrock Bands thread while I hardly notice posts by team members. In other terms: many progheads are glad with my recommendations about new and interesting progrock bands but most are overlooked for PA additions by the team members. Today I read in a team thread that one team member couldn't find info about Canvas on PA while I have published reviews about Canvas since 1,5 year in several threads on PA, incredible! That's why I have recently posted all these bands from the My Lesser Known And Unknown New Progrock Bands thread in the Suggested Bands thread, in order to awake the teams. The result: now we can expect additions of Hobson's Choice, Nostradamus, Nemezis, Moonrise, Breathing Space, all bands that were already known and acclaimed by the regular visitors of My Lesser Known And Unknown New Progrock Bands thread but sadly overlooked by most of the team members, keep that in mind instead of starting another invalid or ridiculous accusation on me.
You should use the time you spend on that for reading My Lesser Known And Unknown New Progrock Bands thread in order to keep informed for possible PA additions
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: September 06 2008 at 14:31 |
^^^ Not overloked. As soon as Windhawk informed us in the Symphonic thread, I checked it and posted my opinion both in the Symphonic thread to inform the member who proposed them and in http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41688&PN=93 all before two hours.
If we are properly notified, we do the work in less than 24 hours, but as long as we are not inforned in:}
But don't accuse us of overlooking a band when a full report is posted one hour before your protest. Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - September 06 2008 at 14:51 |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 06 2008 at 13:47 |
A while ago I wrote about Canvas but it was sadly overlooked, hopefully this time more attention:
CANVAS – Digital Pigeon
- This band is from the USA, in 2000 Canvas released their first album entitled The Rhythm And The Rhyme (a promo-CD), two years later followed by their second effort Avenues. Then there was silence until this year (2007) when Digital Pigeon came out, the brandnew Canvas album. So how about those five years between their second and third CD, did Canvas use their time? Well, I was very pleasantly surprised about the huge variety and tasteful arrangements, this band can write compositions and make good music! Canvas hosts many musicians (you can read the names on the inside of the booklet on every track), the main members are drummer John Swope, bas player Matt Schweitzer, keyboardist/trumpet player Chris Cobel, multi-instrumentalist Tom Mattem en singer Greg Lounsberry. Tow of the fourteen tracks are insturmentals: the swinging Spider featuring trumpet and sensitive electric guitar and the exciting On Second Though with sparkling piano, swinging bass, fiery guitar and powerful trumpet. Remarkable are two songs that are written by known musicians: the late Jaco Pastorius write Teen Town (a blend of jazzrock and experimental with strong bass runs) and the Crichton brothers from Saga composed Catwalk (swirling flute and fiery and propulsive guitar work in teh vein of ... Saga). The other tracks are a pleasant blend of varied styles and atmospheres: dreamy with howling guitar in Ghost Town, swinging with piano, trumpet and fiery guitar in Armchair Voyager, acoustic guitar with warm vocals and a surprising synthesizer solo in A Reptile Dysfuntion, acoustic rhythm guitar and violin in the folky Lost In Transit and sensational keyboard play in the final song Move The Earth. And the melodic opener The Dark Side Of The Sun is very similar to early Camel because of the pleasant vocals, organ waves, moving guitar and warm climate. During my listening sessions I noticed the many strong points in Canvas their music: a high musical level of the musicians, four good singers, the sound of woodwind instruments deliver an extra dimension (like in Dutch band Alquin) en the work on guitar and keyboards is very varied and worked out very well. If you are up to varied prog, this is an album to check out! - The Rhythm And The Rhyme (promo) (2000) - Avenues (2002) - Digital Pigeon (2007) Website: www.canvasproductions.net Edited by erik neuteboom - September 06 2008 at 13:48 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 06 2008 at 05:19 |
well they'll be here soon either way, which is a good thing.. and the prog metal haters will lose out on a terrific nu prog band
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 06 2008 at 04:55 |
It's OK to me Atavachron but keep in mind that if Nostradamus is categorized as Prog Metal, the prog metal haters will avoid this awesome Hungarian band while there is so much to enjoy on their album Testament that doesn't sound like prog metal (although often the guitar and drumming are obviously in the prog metal vein).
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 06 2008 at 04:32 |
Nostradamus being evaluated by ProgMetal, HeavyProg will take them if they don't
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 06 2008 at 04:31 |
E-Dub PMed me back, he will investigate the suggested new Polish
neo-progrock bands Nemezis and Moonrise, that's good news
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 05 2008 at 17:34 |
My latest discovery on the very interesting The Spanish Progressive Rock Page is the Spanish band Taifa, their second album Alhambra (influenced by Medina Azahara, their singer produced Taifa their first album)got a lot of positive words, I hope to tell you more very soon because I expect to receive it the forthcoming days and I hope to present it as a new suggested band for a PA addition, see:
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 04 2008 at 13:53 |
I just checked my Lesser Known And Unknown New Progrock Bands
database and stumbled upon these non-PA bands:
EYE TO EYE – One In Every Crowd
- This is a new French band who mentions in the booklet fellow Dutchman Arjen Lucassen as a very supportive and inspirational person, Eye To Eye has even covered the Ayreon track Back On Planet Earth. Their sound is wonderful and alternating although I had to get used to the vocals. The strong guitarplay has echoes from David Gilmour and Stee Rothery because of the emotional overtones and flowing sound. The keyboard work changes from dreamy with sensitive piano to powerful organ waves and spectacular synthesizer flights. The two long compositions (both more than 15 minutes) are the highlights on this CD, first Love And Pain (very dynamic with howling guitar and tasteful and varied keyboards) and the alternating One Day (a strong contribution on violin and great guitar work delivering howling and biting runs). Eye To Eye is a new and promising band with a good taste for atmosphere and dynamics, worth to discover for progheads who wants to explore the boundaries between symphonic – and heavy progressive. MOTIS – L’Homme-Loup - This is the unique French progrock band Motis their seventh album. The 11 compositions sound like a blend of folk/medieval music and early Ange with strong, typically theatrical French vocals (like Ange, Mona Lisa and Versailles). Motis uses a wide range of instruments, both acoustic (guitar, violin, flute) as vintage keyboards. This results in very interesting combinations like violin-Mellotronwaves and acoustic rhythm-guitar in P'tit Louis, trumpet and Hammond organ in Les Normands and runs on the acoustic guitar, accompanied by violin-Mellotron and the sound of the psychedelic organ like early Ange as in the captivating titletrack. This is not really mainstream music but if you have an adventurous mind and you like folk, this is prog to discover! SOLARIS FUSION – Mystica - This Hungarian five piece band is a musical project by the Solaris rhythm-section. Their debut CD entitled Mystica contains two tracks.
No doubt, this is a very short album but also a very promising one, an adventurous sound that tastes to more! VLAD V - Here’s a Brasilian quartet that was founded in ’86, the name is derived from a hero in the Roman history. The band is Jean Carlo (vocals, flute, guitar, violin, banjo and harmonica), Beto Luciani (guitar and violin), Claudio Reif (bass), Jairson Dorigatti (keyboards and accordeon) and Flavio Theilacher (keyboards and percussion). It lasted until the early Nineties to make a serie of records: “Vlad V” (’94), Espada E O Dragao (’96), O Quinto Sol (’99) and Volume IV (2003). The most obvious influences are JETHRO TULL and FOCUS (swirling fluteplay) but in general their sound is quite unique with passionate Portuguese vocals. The third album O Quinto Sol is a pleasant blend of several styles (folk, blues, rock, prog) with the use of many instruments (violin, flute, acoustic – and electric guitars, bandolin, mouth-organ). The compositions are melodic and alternating, from dreamy with folky instruments till up-tempo with heavy guitarwork. The fourth album Volume IV is in the vein of the third but has more hints from JETHRO TULL (even some covers). Most of the compositions sound pleasant with many shifting moods (even an Eastern climate) but some heavier tracks lack fresh ideas, a bit too much from the same. Nonetheless this is a promising progrock band. Info: http://www.vladv.com.br/
WHITE CHAPEL – Le Masque D’Arlequin
- The sound from this French five piece on their debut CD entitled Le Masque D’Arlequin reminds me of the ‘Vikings’ of Europe: fluent rhythms featuring propulsive guitar riffs, a heavy rhythm-section and symptuous keyboard layers with lots of room for biting guitar runs and flashy synthesizer flights. But White Chapel has a less polished and more adventurous approach than Europe. The vocals are in French, I am not surprised that in the booklet he mentions Christian Dechamps, singer of the legendary French progrock band Ange. Between the mainly fluent, heavy and bombastic inspired tracks, we can also trace some mellow songs like the dreamy Elixer and the compelling Sarajevo (from the former Yugoslavia), you can feel the emotion about the sad history in the howling runs! Although White Chapel sounds quite heavy, I won’t describe it as a progmetal band, to me it sounds more as a blend of ‘Gothic’, prog and hardrock/heavy metal, very tasteful and exciting. Edited by erik neuteboom - September 04 2008 at 14:08 |
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 04 2008 at 09:43 |
I have just PMed E-Dub and Dick to ask their atttention for this thread, I have also this
interesting non-PA band for Dick (it's a reminder ):
PROGRESSION – The Dream Of Cecilia - Last month I noticed a parcel from Finland in my mail box, a further investigation revealed that it was send by the Finnish band Progression. Perhaps they were inspired by other Finnish band Mist Season because I have written reviews about them on the Internet. Progression was founded in 1976, they made a demo, did a few gigs and twenty years later they were refounded by original member Harri Nokso with “new members and new ideas”. And Progression even has her own ‘rock-jazz event’ entitled Fusion (once featuring fellow Finnish band Mist Season). In 2007 Progression released her instrumental debut CD The Dream Of Cecilia, finally!
- On this CD the band describes her music as ‘groovy jazzrock’, influenced by Mahavishnu Orchestra, Billy Cobham and John McLaughlin. In the 9 meledic, mainly swinging compositions I hear elements from Mahavishnu Orchestra, Al DiMeola and JL Ponty, played very energetic and convincing: an adventurous, often propulsive rhythm-section, powerful dual-guitarwork, sparkling violinplay and some songs contain keyboards, it sounds fluent and exciting, what a band! The only mellow song is Bright Light From High featuring dreamy work on acoustic – and electric guitar and a sitar-like sound. But in general Progression indeed delivers ‘groovy jazzrock’ with strong interplay and cascades of solos on guitar (in almost every song fiery work by the two guitarplayers, in some songs dual guitarwork like in Nightmare and Hyperactive Games), on violin (swirling in Nightmare, Gansta Race and Mental Activity) and on keyboards (swinging Fender piano in the titletrack and spectaculair synthesizer fights in Bright Light From High, Hyperactive Games and Little Confusion). - To me this album sounds as a splendid tribute to the Seventies jazzrock, highly recommended to the jazzrock aficionados! Edited by erik neuteboom - September 04 2008 at 09:50 |
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erik neuteboom
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Posted: September 04 2008 at 04:57 |
Thanks for the understanding Fandango and good luck with your 'up a gum tree' recommendations
Thanks for your post Atavachron, the first time I listened to Nostradamus, to me it sounded like a kind of Prog Metal version of Solaris ...
I have the idea that Mass Media is a prey for jazzrock aficionado Dick Heath (I have already mentioned it a few times to him, I think he is too busy ) and Moonrise and Nemezis are perfect additions to be handled by our neo-prog expert E-Dub (I will PM Dick and Eric about this).
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 03 2008 at 19:09 |
Nostradamus terrific, ProgMetal should have first crack but I'm sure we'll take'm in Heavy if they pass ..thanks Erik
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Jared
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Posted: September 03 2008 at 18:05 |
erik: I am beginning to understand your frustration...
I have been asked by Angelo to help out by offering a few suggestions as to where we could possibly locate new bands/ unsigned bands, so I was just getting the ball rolling on a few. Not that I'm any kind of expert you understand, and most of my recommendations are probably 'up a gum tree'...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Jared
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Posted: September 03 2008 at 18:00 |
Kramer: www.myspace.com/kramermusicI think this is one for the Eclectic & Crossover teams to haggle over, although I can certainly hear more than a touch of neo synths in here too. They have a variety of styles, from heavy prog riffs to Kayak style pomp and the occasional spacey guitar... quite a mix, actually...so enjoy!
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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erik neuteboom
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 27 2005 Location: Netherlands Status: Offline Points: 7659 |
Posted: September 03 2008 at 17:46 |
Fandango: I am discussing this since I started to write for PA early 2004 ... Logan: I am simply fed up with the discussions about categories, if I want to keep my motivation on PA I have to focus on the positive things, like suggesting bands but no more than that, it's up to the teams and it's OK to me, whatever the conclusions are, I go back to my island named The Lesser Known And Unknown New Progrock Bands thread By the way, I just added the band websites. |
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Jared
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Posted: September 03 2008 at 16:40 |
Breathing Space: Personally, I think Prog Related would be the most we could hope for here...the tracks are very melodic, song orientated, with only slight hints of pink floyd style 'spacy' guitars here & there, but not enough for categorization. the tunes are very enjoyable, but simply not complex enough for full inclusion, imho... Edited by fandango - September 03 2008 at 17:42 |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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