Suede Room 4: The Bassoon Hero Lounge

TGM: Orb wrote: MovingPictures07 wrote: TGM: Orb wrote: ^ Rush are a prog band?! :p Hemispheres, 2112, A Farewell to Kings. Et? 2112... really just a very good rock album with length additions in the middle and some artsy touches on the second side. AFTK... yeah, more noticeable for the sound effects, and breaking away from the rock arrangements. Surprisingly complex pop songs in there, too. Hemispheres... sides from La Ville Strangiato, I'm not seeing that much that's really new, though the band itself is moving on a little in terms of what it's using. Now, if we just had Caress Of Steel, I wouldn't have argued :p

Caress of Steel and Permanent Waves would be next in line of progginess.

I agree with Mike.

Rush are an Art Rock band but with 3 proggy albums.
ELP are a prog band that are a bit pants.
Kansas I don't know... but from what I gather, they're an Art Rock band with some proggy moments.
Dream Theater are exactly as Mike describes.

Besides, I'm getting annoyed at people who ask me if I listen to non-prog... 'cause I listen to plenty.

I don't consider most of the jazz rock/fusion I listen prog at all... it's jazz rock/fusion!  A lot of Canterbury Scene music isn't prog... most psychedelic music isn't prog.

In fact, prog is a pretty small genre.

James wrote: I agree with Mike. Rush are an Art Rock band but with 3 proggy albums. ELP are a prog band that are a bit pants. Kansas I don't know... but from what I gather, they're an Art Rock band with some proggy moments. Dream Theater are exactly as Mike describes. Besides, I'm getting annoyed at people who ask me if I listen to non-prog... 'cause I listen to plenty. I don't consider most of the jazz rock/fusion I listen prog at all... it's jazz rock/fusion!  A lot of Canterbury Scene music isn't prog... most psychedelic music isn't prog. In fact, prog is a pretty small genre.

You're entitled to your opinions.

Prog, to me, is an incredibly large genre/range of sound. It goes from Rush to VDGG to Meshuggah to Return to Forever to Henry Cow to Tangerine Dream to Emerson, Lake and Palmer. That alone is amazing.

NaturalScience wrote: Let's not have a fight in here about the progginess of this or that band - there's enough of that in the main lounges. This is place of love and understanding.

I'm not fighting.

I agree with you that there is definitely enough of silly debates in the main forums, which is why I usually hang out here.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Mikerinos wrote: Never said ELP aren't representative of prog, but I could say they aren't representative of good prog. ;) Listen to Tarkus or Karn Evil 9. I have.  Tarkus is a good example, KE9 has some good parts but some of it is pretty lame and hokey. and Rush is debatable.  Most of their albums and popular songs aren't really prog but you can say the same about Yes and Genesis I suppose. Rush's material was just as prog as Genesis's or Yes's, if not more. At least they never completely ignored making decent music (even Presto and Test for Echo aren't near as bad as Big Generator or Invisible Touch) and their impact upon music was arguably as big as Genesis and Yes's, if not more. Both are opinion though, but pretty much everything related to music classification and quality is.  I know a lot of people on PA would disagree with both and have every right to.  Personally, I haven't purposely listened to more Rush and Yes of the later periods than I have to, but from what I've heard I think they're about equal in quality (subjective). I have quite a bit of Kansas on vinyl, it's okay but I never really considered them prog... and if they are then Deep Purple and Led Zeppelin are just as prog (and according to PA, almost everything is). Wow. That's ignorance. Listen to "Song for America" title track, "Magnum Opus", "Miracles out of Nowhere", "Incomudro", or "The Pinnacle" and THEN tell me that. Deep Purple or Led Zeppelin never approached those tracks at ALL in progginess. Deep Purple's earlier stuff is quite progressive and after that they retained some for a bit (Child of Time, most notably).  Led Zeppelin flirted with prog quite a bit, especially IV, Houses of the Holy, Physical Graffiti, Achilles Last Stand, etc. Dream Theater is musical masterbation lubed up guitar heroes on speed jacked up on drugs playing music that induces headaches, if that constitutes as prog for you then okay sure, fine.  It's all subjective anyway, and if you disagree then your subjectivity sucks (in my subjective view of my own subjectivity). :P Whatever you think. Scenes from a Memory is a modern masterpiece and "Octavarium" (the song) alone is definitely completely prog. I wasn't being very serious there. ;)

James wrote: I agree with Mike. Rush are an Art Rock band but with 3 proggy albums. tick ELP are a prog band that are a bit pants. lies. ELP is awesomes. Challenging, but awesome :p Not accessible like Magma. Kansas I don't know... but from what I gather, they're an Art Rock band with some proggy moments. Dream Theater are exactly as Mike describes. Besides, I'm getting annoyed at people who ask me if I listen to non-prog... 'cause I listen to plenty. I don't consider most of the jazz rock/fusion I listen prog at all... it's jazz rock/fusion!  A lot of Canterbury Scene music isn't prog... most psychedelic music isn't prog. In fact, prog is a pretty small genre.

Come on guys. You're discussing taste in here. Bad stuff. Can't change it. Own definitions and such things.
In here, we stick to a moderate amount of teasing when it comes to those things.

Right?

NaturalScience wrote: Let's not have a fight in here about the progginess of this or that band - there's enough of that in the main lounges. This is place of love and understanding.

NaturalScience wrote: Mike, please forward all e-mail the station receives after you play some Koenjihyakkei...

That'd be the best!!

A lot of stuff has progressive elements/influence, but "prog" isn't necessarily the first thing I think of when the band is mentioned.  I don't want to argue about it, though, since it isn't really worth it.

I plan on playing some weird stuff but I probably won't start off too weird.  We'll see , though.  I'll let you know of any funny stories that inevitably follow any public exposure to prog rock.  Now I'm going on a walk with someone I think, I may be on later hopefully.