The REAL problem with prog-metal: is not prog-rock

   Metal is now like Punk & new wave music in the early 80's , it's gonna vanish , one way or another , so if yu're convinced about the idea that said , metal is the heritage of Heavy Rock , press on your Fast Forward bottom , to witness in the future what will happen . and imho , as one of the eldest proggers in the world ,
history always wins . because it's fact , it happens .
  Cannot compare Psychadelic in the 60's , with Progressive of the 70's & 80's , with neo progressive of the 90's , with heavy metal , progressive metal ( if yu want ) , and Opera metal of this century !!!!

Rocktopus wrote: mr70s wrote: Certif1ed wrote:   Try this and reconsider your opinion; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAeYaehLD0&feature=related   Just curious, do you think this is a good piece of music ? Everything might be right about this track for Certif1ed perfect pitch ears, but I'm glad my ears are more primitive, so I'm able to tell when everything's wrong. Horrible, pointless music.

^ sorry, but how is (prog) metal any different? It exists on vinyl or CD, and remastered editions are being released all the time. Currently many classics from the 80s are even being re-released on vinyl.

Many classic metal albums(prog and non prog metal) have been already remastered, so we don't need to bother too much with this

Certif1ed wrote: Rocktopus wrote: mr70s wrote: [QUOTE=Certif1ed]   Try this and reconsider your opinion; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAeYaehLD0&feature=related   Just curious, do you think this is a good piece of music ? Everything might be right about this track for Certif1ed perfect pitch ears, but I'm glad my ears are more primitive, so I'm able to tell when everything's wrong. Horrible, pointless music.

Certif1ed wrote: Rocktopus wrote: mr70s wrote: Certif1ed wrote:   Try this and reconsider your opinion; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DAeYaehLD0&feature=related   Just curious, do you think this is a good piece of music ? Everything might be right about this track for Certif1ed perfect pitch ears, but I'm glad my ears are more primitive, so I'm able to tell when everything's wrong. Horrible, pointless music.   I didn't say everything was right - in fact, I err towards the primitive, as I learned all my art on the street. I think my gut feel is as at least as good as anyone else's - and you're welcome to your taste, but when it's provided unreasoned like that, I have to say it tastes horrible to me, and smacks highly of ignorance.   You are not "able to tell when everything's wrong", by the way - what a ridiculous thing to say!   Like everyone else, you're able to tell when you don't like something - but, from your response, you're unable to tell anybody WHY that should be. That must be very frustrating for you.

I might be frustrated at times, but not about that (except of course I sometimes wish norwegian was the language we all had to use here and everywhere, and not english. But that's beside the point). That track reminded me of the sort of grooveless, soulless rock that that I often hear used in sportsprograms when they show highlights, or formula 1 cars that crashes etc.. on tv. Never knew there were actual bands making it.

trackstoni wrote:    During my first visit to San Francisco ( Ca ) , i had the chance to visit the chinatown , downtown the city , at the entrance there was a banner , ( a special one ) , it says , If You don't have a problems , this is a Problem !!    My problem now is not the definition of Prog Metal , not even if the problem of prog metal , is prog rock or not , but  my biggest & serious problem was , and still that i couldn't find any path to enjoy this kind of music .    the difference between both categories is very clear to all of us , and i told yu before // MAYBE , we have the same father , but for sure we had different mothers , so leave it this way  . Progarchives was meant to be our notice board  , I love Opeth , Pain of Salvation , Dreamtheater , Symphony x , Therion , Pendragon , and even Cemetery of Screams , Hammerfall , Haggard , Metallica , Maiden , and many many others , but do not try to compare these soldiers to our GENERALS , and i believe that you know that  i'm right  .

Right about what ? that you don't like prog metal ? Comparing them to who - General Schwartzkopf ? Rommel ? You can't be referring to a musical group, because I've yet to hear, read or learn of one that was put in charge of directing a musical trend, in this case - prog.  If that is what you mean, then who are the generals ? If VDGG is not included, will Baldfriede agree with you ? I wouldn't if you dismissed Gentle Giant. I would agree to a classification of sorts of the top tier - King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Moody Blues, Jethro Tull. But this status would be more reflective of their "mainstream" success than any claim to being better bands or having put out better music than say, Rush, Porcupine Tree, Strawbs, Harmonium or any of the Italian proggers. Just that they are better known than most other prog gods.
Some are heavy, some are more melodic. Neither adjective indicates the level of "progness".
And that is the main problem with Prog Metal. Anglagard can be heavy. Deep Purple could be agreed to be metal. But Dream Theater is just overly complex, pretentious too loud guitars/bass/drums/keyboards.
And to repeat myself - if the whole prog metal scene musical acts took out the guitarist(s), and substituted a Hammond B3, or a Moog or Mellotron, their music would not face the same opposition.

Certif1ed wrote:   Spastic Ink mediocre rock?   That shows a lack of understanding of what they're doing. Please come back and debate this topic when you understand it a bit better.     Please also note that again, I am pointing out facts, not delivering a personal insult.

As usual you have no idea have you come across.

Your approach only works when the music's made by your squarehead rules. Take that Spastic Ink track out on the street, and try it out. Just to check if your gut feel's still intact.

Rocktopus wrote: Certif1ed wrote:   Spastic Ink mediocre rock?   That shows a lack of understanding of what they're doing. Please come back and debate this topic when you understand it a bit better.     Please also note that again, I am pointing out facts, not delivering a personal insult.   As usual you have no idea have you come across. Your approach only works when the music's made by your squarehead rules. Take that Spastic Ink track out on the street, and try it out. Just to check if your gut feel's still intact.

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=k1f8JgAG5Io