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The Whistler 
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 Topic: Can someone tell me... (Moody Blues/Procol Harum)
Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:20 |
Why The Moody Blues are crossover prog, and Procol Harum is proto? I mean, dude! They both came out at the same time with their big ole "landmark" records ('67, Days Of Future and Procol Harum respectively). And, dude, by the late seventies Procol was clearly doing the proggier thing (I mean, Octave is certainly leaning in a poppier direction, whereas Something Magic has a song that takes up a single side! Who else was doing that in 1977? Well...Yes or ELP probably, but still).
Personally, I think they should both just be "art rock" and that'll fix everything. But, hey, what do I know? Convince me otherwise, if'n you can.
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:21 |
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Art rock lol
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:25 |
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I still believe in art rock! Mind my words, it'll be back someday, and you'll ALL go, "Oh [the] Whistler! How could we have ever doubted you?"
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:46 |
 rileydog22 wrote:
Art rock lol
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rileydog22
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 01:52 |
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 02:49 |
*waiting, with curiousity, for serious, perhaps even grown-up, answers* (  )
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 03:32 |
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C'mon Rico! You and I both know that that's impossible by now...
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 03:38 |
The Whistler wrote:
C'mon Rico! You and I both know that that's impossible by now... |
I found your question to be serious, especially because I haven't listenined to either bands' music, in order to tell the difference. So I think an answer should match up your question. 
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The Whistler
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 03:46 |
Ricochet wrote:
The Whistler wrote:
C'mon Rico! You and I both know that that's impossible by now... |
I found your question to be serious, especially because I haven't listenined to either bands' music, in order to tell the difference.
So I think an answer should match up your question.
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Really? Huh. Usually in reviews, outside of this site I mean, ala allmusic or private reviewers online, the two get lumped together for being nascent prog acts. Their approachs are totally different. And, if anything, I'd call Procol's proggier.
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 03:48 |
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* sound of half the membership looking up 'nascent' *
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mellors
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 05:46 |
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On a similar note, I find it odd that The Who are considered proto-prog, when their major prog records were 69-73. Its just strange having the #1 proto album being Quadrophenia.
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 06:40 |
Guigo and I both feel that Procol Harum are misplaced and should be in a prog category. It is though up to the genre teams to decide who is in and who is not.
I think the Moody Blues are in the right place, presumably you are use just citing them as evidence re PH.
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 09:50 |
I have a different perspective.
Most of the Moody Blues career was done aster 1969, as a fact I do believe that their only 100% Prog release (Long Distance Voyager) was recorded in the 80's, as a fact The Moodies roots are in the 60's but most of their career is passed the 60's, so it was ridiculous to have them as Proto Prog.
On the other hand Procol Harum is an Icon of Proto Prog and lets be honest their career after "A Salty Dog" (1969) or if you want "Home" (1970), is less transcendental. It's also important to notice that Procol Harum roots go back until 1959 with The Paramounts (AKA The Pinewoods), so if we focus in the peak of their career and their importance for the genre, they can't be in other place than Proto Prog.
As a Proto Prog fan, I'm tired to see this real sub-genre being compared with Prog Related, Proto Prog is a necessary and logical stage of Prog evolution, without which, the genre wouldn't ever existed or had been completely different, while Prog Related is a parallel category that could had or had not existed without real significance for Prog.
The Proto Prog movement would not existed without songs like Fire (Arthur Brown) or A Whiter Shade of Pale" so moving Procol Harum is removing a good part of PP's identity.
My two cents
Iván
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micky
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:17 |
Easy Livin wrote:
Guigo and I both feel that Procol Harum are misplaced and should be in a prog category. It is though up to the genre teams to decide who is in and who is not.
I think the Moody Blues are in the right place, presumably you are use just citing them as evidence re PH. |
evidence I'm sure... what other place could there be for the Moodies. Xover was created FOR them.  They didn't fit anywhere else.. so we had to create a sub for more pop orientated prog. We'll see about PH.. havne't listened to them in some time... I'll take this like a normal suggestion.. and put it to the AR team.. and we'll hash out a new sub.
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:36 |
The Whistler wrote:
Why The Moody Blues are crossover prog, and Procol Harum is proto? I mean, dude! They both came out at the same time with their big ole "landmark" records ('67, Days Of Future and Procol Harum respectively). And, dude, by the late seventies Procol was clearly doing the proggier thing (I mean, Octave is certainly leaning in a poppier direction, whereas Something Magic has a song that takes up a single side! Who else was doing that in 1977? Well...Yes or ELP probably, but still).
Personally, I think they should both just be "art rock" and that'll fix everything. But, hey, what do I know? Convince me otherwise, if'n you can. |
And to make the whole thing more insane ,you can see ..BARCLAY JAMES HARVEST is in eclectic prog???? they 're musically the cousins of the Moody Blues!
Eclectic, crossover, proto, what else?........just words!! let say they are prog ''light''  They could also be in the symphonic category as they all embraced at a time or another the use of classical orchestras and mellotron gallore.
Art rock fit them well as well.........so what's the truth?
None , just personal opinion.......just let me enjoy the music ! 
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:52 |
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^ very true... part of me says... what is the use moving groups around when they can fit in mulitple categories anyway. The ol' famous micky euthemism for pounding square pegs into round holes.
then again... the other side of me thinks .. what is the true purpose of the categories. Not for archival sense .. that is not what this site is about.... but to be guides for general forum so it might facilitate their discoveries. So any chance to move a band out of PR.. or PP to categories that actually SAY something about their music is always welcome.
PH is a good example... but Deep Purple is the most glaring example of this. 4 or 5 Heavy Prog albums.. with their clones sitting in HP.. yet they are stuck incorrectly in Proto. Doesn't make much sense... but happy to start with PH.
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 10:59 |
[QUOTE=micky]^ very true... part of me says... what is the use moving groups around when they can fit in mulitple categories anyway. The ol' famous micky euthemism for pounding square pegs into round holes. After reading your always interesting posts here on PA, i think getting a book full of Micky euthemisms should be a valuable experience for the future generations to come..never thought of publishing one yet?? 
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:04 |
I confess I don't know Barclay James Harvest at all, so I can't comment on them being in Eclectic. 
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:14 |
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Posted: August 31 2008 at 11:16 |
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