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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 29 2008 at 18:01 | ||
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Leningrad
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Posted: August 29 2008 at 18:09 | ||
I'm personally an anarcho-communist, but I'm not ignorant enough to say that it would work out, especially not with the way the world is today.
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Padraic
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Posted: August 29 2008 at 21:38 | ||
lol art baers |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 06 2008 at 11:10 | ||
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: September 06 2008 at 12:36 | ||
^ Yeah. Joe is really starting to piss me off. You can have different views from the 2 major parties, but it's just such a dick move to cal yourself a democrat and support the Republican party where it counts.
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IVNORD
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Posted: September 06 2008 at 21:19 | ||
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 07 2008 at 00:27 | ||
From the online paper today....though I doubt it was really Jesse who posted it....
Narrow definitions are the rule in politicsOne way to "win" an argument is to control the meaning of the terms used and the Republicans have understood this better than the Democrats for decades. Thus "fiscal responsibility" can mean spending billions of dollars that the government doesn't have while cutting taxes for the wealthy; "defending freedom" can mean taking away civil rights and stifling the freedom of the press; "equality" can mean protecting the rich and powerful from incursions by minorities into the best colleges in America; "values" can mean enshrining narrow "Christian" tenets held by a vocal few into the law of the land; and why they can claim that "Hollywood elites" have infested the Democratic Party while failing to mention the stars in their own party such as Bob Hope, Clint Eastwood, Mel Gibson, Dennis Hopper, John Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, Fred Thompson, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston or Ronald Reagan. That's just a sample of the doublespeak that has been the norm for the "right" since 1980. The Republicans have controlled the White House and/or the Congress for 26 of the past 28 years and yet they still proclaim the baldfaced lie that everything that's wrong in America is somebody else's fault. That's why "Country First" rings hollow- because most of us who make up the country don't count as far as the Republican Party is concerned. Their interests are narrow, their terms are narrow, their minds are narrow. The Republican Party needs to regain real conservative values, not the pseudoconservative values that they've acten upon for most of the past 30 years. posted by jesseventura on Sep 6, 08 at 10:10 pm |
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Padraic
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Posted: September 07 2008 at 10:11 | ||
I couldn't agree more with this. |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 07 2008 at 11:02 | ||
"What, after all, is a Democrat like me doing at a Republican convention like this?" Joe Lieberman He wasn't kicked out, He ran as an independent when he was defeated in the primary. Edited by Slartibartfast - September 07 2008 at 11:02 |
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micky
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Posted: September 07 2008 at 11:17 | ||
^ .
love the GOP the same party whose idea ... mindset of inclusiveness and loyalty is forcing people in church congregations who supported Kerry to get out. |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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MovingPictures07
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Beasty Heart Status: Offline Points: 32181 |
Posted: September 07 2008 at 11:53 | ||
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 07 2008 at 12:35 | ||
I'm afraid 30 years back doesn't encompass Nixon. http://journals.democraticunderground.com/top10/351 Edited by Slartibartfast - September 08 2008 at 08:14 |
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 09 2008 at 19:13 | ||
Obama and McCain Tax ProposalsAccording to a new analysis by the Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for most American families. Obama's plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy. For the approximately 147,000 families that make up the top 0.1 percent of the income scale, the difference between the two plans is stark. While McCain offers a $269,364 tax cut, Obama would raise their taxes, on average, by $701,885 - a difference of nearly $1 million. |
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IVNORD
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 11:45 | ||
The top 1% pays nearly 40% of personal income tax. Let's assume the total revenues from personal income tax is $2B (the real number must be lower). So the rich chip in $800B. If Obama raises their tax bracket by 10% he will rake in $80B more. Assume he'll leave the remaining tax brackets alone, no decrease, no increase. Also if he withdraws from Iraq, we'll save another $400B (today's budget deficit).
A simple question for you: where is he going to get the money for his proposed $400B to $500B healthcare plan?
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Padraic
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 12:02 | ||
Obama has publicly stated that he's not interested in balancing the budget at all in his first term, and possibly not at all.
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IVNORD
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 12:27 | ||
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Padraic
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 13:20 | ||
Here we go again. Lehman "too big to fail".
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IVNORD
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Posted: September 10 2008 at 16:20 | ||
Is WaMu gonna be next?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 08:07 | ||
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BroSpence
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Posted: September 15 2008 at 23:44 | ||
That element has bothered me for the last several years. Why is it so wrong for a person of any status to show support for a candidate or party (they won't change my mind!). What is worse? A famous person SAYING what they want or more notably VOTING FOR/GETTING several FAMOUS people into office (Eastwood, Reagan, Schwarz). Neither is really bad, but that fact that there is such a HUGE freaking double standard there is ridiculous. They do it every year to, even now including Obama as a "celebrity" while Schwarz still sits in office and Reagan is still worshiped as a god. Not to mention the campaign of (as mentioned) Fred Thompson. |
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