Steely Dan appreciation thread

"Countdown to extasy" and "Kathy lied" are my fav Steely dan albums. They deserve to be in archives.

kibble_alex wrote: I can see civil war breaking out here The "Steely Dan ARE Prog" side VS. The "Steely Dan are NOT Prog" side It seems the latter side are puriton PA extremists whilst the first lot are willing to keep PA progressive. My prediction

Seems to me more like people are agreeing to disagree.  What's odd is there doesn't appear to be anyone who both totally hate the band and doesn't think they belong here.


Edited by Slartibartfast - August 26 2008 at 08:11

Slartibartfast wrote: Seems to me more like people are agreeing to disagree.  What's odd is there doesn't appear to be anyone who both totally hate the band and doesn't think they belong here.

But that's what Slart actually said - it seems that pretty much everyone likes Steely Dan, they just differ on whether or not they could be classified as prog.  He said he hasn't seen someone that hates Steely Dan and (maybe obviously) doesn't want them here on PA.

Hmm, what do you call this then 'Oh, no no no no no, yes"?

I don't want to look like an oxy moron.

Edited by Slartibartfast - August 29 2008 at 10:58

I don't think their country or origin is relevant. There are plently of prog bands from the US, Germany, and indeed the whole of the United Kingdom.

progrules wrote: Where the appreciation is concerned: it's very simple for me. I love them and don't mind them being here although I was very surprised a couple of days ago. I followed the discussions about this great band for almost a year now and the conclusion was always: they should not be on progarchives (at least the majority felt this way). So now they are with us anyway and even though they are great their presence is already tainted because of the majority's opinion (on one of the other threads a poll showed 71% is against). That's a pity and I also have to be honest, my general opinion is to keep the site a bit "clean" (not too many popular bands). So if I were consistent I should ignore them and their albums but truth is I already rated/reviewed all of their albums. Huh ?? I don't get myself anymore. It's hard to be consistent !!

hahha...  it is damn hard isn't it.

A few points on your post there.  As you probably know additons here are not voted upon. For myself personally...  the numbers mean nothing..  what counts are the comments.  Any kid who thinks SD is Hey Nineteen can vote..  but only those who know something can contribute to a discussion.   The arguments against SD those that were  valid that is...have all been answered or addressed by those who added them.

see... for me.. .it comes down to vision of the site....  you mentioned 71% against.  I have been here too long at this site.. and am doing some realistic figuring here... . you can knock off a third (and probably am being generous at that) of that as people who have NO idea of who the band is other than a name or a few songs.  that makes... yep...  50-50.  So what is more important for this site.. . not offending the hyper-sensitivities of the those who want a clean site or acknowledging the other 50% ..from whom the other 50% might learn something.. if they gave the band a fresh.. or closer listen.






Edited by micky - August 30 2008 at 10:16

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: jimidom wrote: Here is a question to those who believe Steely Dan does not belong in the Archives. Would you feel differently if they were from England or perhaps Germany?   I wouldn't care if they came from Perú (where I live), I never judged a band by the country of origin, that would be stupid and mom didn't raised a stupid son.     Iván

it was a valid question.. but not in how it was directed.. or answered  by you personally Ivan. Of course you don't.. however..

what is the main beef against them here....  it isn't the music.. it is the fact that they are not 'known' as a prog group. Who made that decision.. those who make their living sticking labels and tags on groups.. who tended to hate prog anyway...who saw SD... thought I LOVE it..... American... not symphonic.... therefore.. not prog. This site doesn't do addtions based on what others think.. never have.. never will.

He thought... is perfectly dead on.. if they were British .. they would have been here long ago.  We all know the power of labels here. 

anyway.. this was fun...  but it's time to get the thread back on topic.  There is another thread for discussing the addition .. this is for the band. 

will request deletion or moving of any more off-topic replies.. there is a thread for it.  They are added.. here.. is where people might discover why.




Edited by micky - August 30 2008 at 11:55

To suggest that a band are more or less likely to be added becuase of their country of origin is disrespectful to our hard working teams, and rather smacks of desperation.

I don't really think that this is what is being said.  But I think that what is being referred to is that within the progressive rock community there is a perception, whether right or wrong, that bands from the United States for which the "progressive" label may apply are treated as second class "citizens" of the prog world, with Kansas being the A number 1 example of this perception.