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    Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:33
Well my friends here's another work of Mr. Covach, and this time is from a Wonderful album, Genesis Selling England, here´s the entire text.
 
Credits to Mr. Covach Please Big%20smile
 
 
"I will admit right from the start that my choice to focus on Genesis' classic album, Selling England by the Pound, is motivated in part by a tremendous pair of shows I saw here in North Carolina a few months back.  The Musical Box—a Montreal-based group—played two nights at The Ritz in Raleigh and recreated the tour that supported the release of Genesis' 1973 LP.  There were, as it turns out, two versions of that show: the white one and the black one.  While this distinction is most easily made by noting the color of the backdrop the group was using, there are also some very interesting differences in the way the show was staged.  At any rate, we saw the white show the first night and the black show the next evening; the group's resident Genesis historian, Serge Morisette, gave an informative lecture on Saturday afternoon, showing some rare concert footage from both versions of the show to the few dozen die-hard progheads that had assembled at the club (it's worth noting that, best I could tell, The Ritz was full both nights and the crowd was very enthusiastic).  The attention to detail that The Musical Box lavished on this pair of shows was remarkable; not only were the tunes played to perfection and the Gabriel moves executed nicely by lead-singer Denis Gagné, but the group used most of the same guitars and basses that Rutherford and Hackett used.  A pleasant conversation with the group's keyboardist David Myers revealed that there was not actually a Mellotron on the premises, as Myers uses digital Mellotron samples instead.  Considering all of the opportunities that such a tribute-type concert offers for things to turn dopey and saccharine, The Musical Box avoided all such pitfalls and put on a great pair of shows. 

But spending about 48 hours either hearing the show, listening to people talk about the show, or listening to the original album had the effect of reminding me what an important record Selling England by the Pound is for 70s progressive rock.  There is perhaps a tendency for the LP to be seen merely as the one between Foxtrot, which features the magnificent "Supper's Ready," and the ambitious The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.  But Selling England by the Pound is more than a well-crafted placekeeper between two other fine albums; it might even be argued that it includes some of the best work the group ever did with Gabriel and stands as a significant culminating point for Gabriel-era Genesis, especially if you're one of those listeners who finds The Lamb a little over-ambitious and unwieldy.  At any rate, Selling England by the Pound clearly deserves consideration on its own merits, and, as I have done before with other groups, I'll reserve the right to return to those other Genesis albums in a future column.

The history of the early days of Genesis is one of the better-known tales of prog lore.  Four of the original group members—Tony Banks, Peter Gabriel, Anthony Phillips, and Michael Rutherford—attended an upscale private boys' school called Charterhouse.  As early as 1966, Tony and Peter had a group called The Garden Wall, while Mike and Ant were in The Anon.  The Garden Wall played 60s rhythm and blues—numbers like Percy Sledge's "When a Man Loves a Woman" and a soul version of Simon and Garfunkel's "I am a Rock"—while The Anon played Beatles and Stones covers.  It wasn't long before the four got together to record some original music though.  In 1967 the group recorded five tunes (with Chris Stewart on drums), and it was this tape that made it into the hands of Charterhouse graduate Jonathan King.  King had had some success in the pop-music business as both a singer (he had a 1965 hit called "Everybody's Gone to the Moon") and as a songwriter, producer, and publisher ("It's a Good News Day," a hit for Hedgehoppers Anonymous).  King was impressed enough by what he heard to send the group into the studio to record more tunes.  The new songs seemed a bit too complicated to King, however.  Tony and Peter, thinking that this was their big break in the music biz and afraid of losing King's support, wrote a song that they hoped would please their patron, "The Silent Sun."  Banks and Gabriel have admitted that the song was a full-scale Bee Gees pastiche, and King has argued that it wasn't that way at all.  Whatever the real story is, the song did what it needed to do and won King back as a strong supporter of the group.  After considering the name Gabriel's Angels, the group became Genesis, and in February 1968 Decca released "The Silent Sun" as a single. 

While their first single enjoyed mild success, the second, "A Winter's Tale," was largely ignored.  Undeterred by this failure, King and the group entered the studio to record From Genesis to Revelation with new drummer John Silver on board.  The concept for the album was King's, and he has explained that he thought of it as a "history of the universe."  However promising the album may be seen to be in retrospect, it made very little impression on listeners and critics in March of 1969.  Part of this may have to do with the black cover—the Beatles had, after all, done a plain white one—and the title appearing in gold with no group name indicated; apparently the album was often misfiled into the religious bins at record stores!  One review that the album did get was kind, pointing to the band's promise and comparing Gabriel with Roger Daltrey (which pleased Peter very much).  But the group were unhappy with the way the album turned out, and especially with the strings that King added to the tracks.   

By 1970 Genesis were in the studio once more with a new drummer, John Mayhew.  With Tony Stratton Smith managing the group and John Anthony producing, Trespass had a far better chance of breaking through than its predecessor.  From the opening moments of "Looking for Someone," it is clear that the band has made significant progress over the year and a half since the previous album.  There are many great moments on the album, and it contains what would become a staple in the band's live act, "The Knife."  On Trespass, the characteristic Genesis sound is almost in place; the group plays with much more confidence and experience, giving up the three-minute radio single for longer and more involved arrangements.  But it might all have ended there.  Anthony Phillips had been developing an severe case of performance anxiety.  When his stage fright actually began to affect his physical health, he was forced to quit the group.  Remembering Ant's departure, Rutherford has remarked that this was the closest the group ever came to breaking up (and considering the subsequent personnel changes the group has weathered, that is significant).  But the decision was made to search for another guitarist—and a new drummer while they were at it—and with the addition of Steve Hackett and Phil Collins, the classic Genesis line-up was complete.

Released in November 1971, Nursery Cryme begins the run of classic Genesis progressive-rock albums that would extend to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway of 1974 and establish one important high-water mark in the history of the style.  Beginning with "The Musical Box" and culminating in "The Fountain of Salmacis," Genesis charge through "The Return of the Giant Hogweed" and "Harold the Barrel," among others.  Hackett's more aggressive playing heightens the introduction to "Hogweed," and his general concern for creating musical textures ("to strive beyond existing stagnant music forms," as he put it in a newspaper ad) permeates the record.  Collins's virtuosic drumming locks in nicely with Rutherford's agile bass playing; together they drive the tunes forward as in the "The Musical Box," which features the most powerful and dramatic ending the group had recorded thus far.  A year later (1972) Genesis released Foxtrot.  While containing such classic Genesis tracks as "Watcher of the Skies" and "Get 'em Out by Friday," the album's highpoint is easily "Supper's Ready."  In fact, "Supper's Ready," like Yes's "Close to the Edge" or ELP's "Trilogy"—all released in 1972; what was in the water over there?!—can be seen as an exemplar of what was best about British prog in the 1970s. 

Genesis Live was released in July 1973, and the band's next studio album, Selling England by the Pound appeared in fall of the same year.  The album contains four long tracks and three shorter ones.  Of the shorter ones, "I Know What I Like (in your Wardrobe)" became the group's first hit single.  The others are "More Fool Me," which features Phil Collins on lead vocals, and an instrumental piece by Steve Hackett called "After the Ordeal," which was almost left off the album but was eventually included after one of the band's famous democratic votes.  Another short piece, "Aisle of Plenty," is actually a reprise of music from "Dancing with the Moonlit Night," and follows immediately on the end of "The Cinema Show," rounding off the album.  The longer pieces are "Dancing with the Moonlit Night," "Firth of Fifth," "The Battle of Epping Forest," and "The Cinema Show." 

A nice feature of "Dancing with the Moonlit Night" is the way the beginning verses build, gradually adding new instruments along the way.  After Gabriel opens the tune with a solo vocal line, the acoustic twelve string then enters (0:10) in the accompaniment.  Hackett's electric guitar can be heard at 0:20, and Banks's organ at 0:25.  Finally, Banks's majestic grand piano chimes in at 0:52.  At 1:19 Collins's drums enter, Hackett's guitar remains, Rutherford switches from twelve string to electric bass, and Banks's piano arpeggios are replaced by barely audible Mellotron strings, which give way to Mellotron vocal chorus at 1:50.  All this builds up to the menacing passage that begins at 2:23.  Already in the first three minutes of the record, then, the hand of polished professionals can be detected in the subtle orchestration described here.  It's not just that they use a lot of different instrumental timbres in quick succession; it's that the way these timbres are manipulated allows the music to breathe dynamically, building and pulling back, and then pushing forward to a heavier and more urgent musical section.  Large-scale reorchestration of passages can be found throughout "Firth of Fifth" as well.  The opening piano fanfare section (0:00-1:07) returns at 4:33 and forward, now set for the full group with the synthesizer taking the main melodic line; it also closes the tune at 9:17 to the end, here with the grand piano accompanied by phase-shifted electric piano.  The quiet flute section beginning at 3:23 returns with Hackett's powerful guitar taking the lead at 6:28 and transforming a previously delicate interlude into a driving and wailing instrumental tour-de-force.

"Cinema Show," like "The Musical Box" and "Supper's Ready," starts out with acoustic twelve-string, but unlike its precursors is rather more light-hearted and playful, telling the tale of a modern-day Romeo and Juliet.  Gabriel's vocals are only present for a small proportion of the tune, with long sections being given over to instrumental passages, the most famous of these beginning at 5:52-10:50 or so, featuring only Collins, Banks, and Rutherford.  In many ways, this is echt Genesis: Banks playing melodic passages on his Arp Pro Soloist synthesizer, accompanying himself on either Hammond organ or Mellotron, Rutherford pounding away rhythmically on a single bass note, and Phil Collins driving the whole thing forward with his high-energy virtuoso drumming.  Interestingly, as with "After the Ordeal," this section was also on the chopping block and was only saved by a band vote. Apparently it was either cut them both or keep them both: Banks wanted to cut the Hackett piece and Gabriel wanted to cut the "Cinema Show" instrumental. 

Like "Get 'em Out by Friday" or "Return of the Giant Hogweed," "The Battle of Epping Forest" tells a pretty straight-forward story.  Here the story concerns a gangland fight over turf, and Gabriel provides some marvelous moments as he takes on the voices of a number of characters in the story.  Gabriel has remarked that it was important to him (as well as to Phil Collins) that the group maintain a capacity for humor, and like "Harold the Barrel" or the sometimes bizarre stories he often told between numbers on stage, "The Battle of Epping Forest" does not disappoint in this regard. 

The hallmark characteristics of Gabriel-era Genesis are all present in Selling England by the Pound; and it is important to stress that these characteristics are by this point very refined.  This is a powerful album that reflects the maturity and craftsmanship of experienced musicians working together at the height of their powers.  Selling England by the Pound is a true classic in progressive rock.  So if you haven't had it out in a while, do yourself a favor and "take a little trip back . . ."
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:38
honestly... pretty sh*tty.. spends the first 1/3 talking about The Musical Box.. another 1/3rd talking about the history of the group.. then finally getting to the album.

as far as the album... the only Genesis album that ever made an impression on me.  Their albums are so damn hit and miss, great songs mixed with totally forgettable songs..... but this one... was fabulous for me from start to finish.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:40
now this....  read this ... this is John McFerrin's take on the album.

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*Selling England By The Pound - 1973 Atco*
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Best song: Dancing With The Moonlit Knight

You might not have noticed it, but although I certainly have a healthy dose of respect and love for well-done progressive rock, not ONCE have I given a prog rock album a perfect score - atmosphere and cool instrumentation can take you to the top of the mountain overlooking the land, but they won't let you into Canaan, so to speak. But this album is a different story entirely. NEVER before and never again in the history of progressive rock can one find such a perfect confluence of atmospherics, bombastic and yet clever lyrics, catchy melodies, complicated song structures, and in a wonderous first for Genesis, constantly entertaining and often GORGEOUS arrangements (this album is Genesis' peak in both quality of keyboard playing AND quality of guitar playing, which should tell you something right away) as can be found in this incredible 53 minute piece of British lore.

The arrangements, in particular, are what ultimately set this album above Foxtrot and The Lamb. You may not believe it, but not only do I have absolutely no complaints about Tony's playing on this album, on more than a few occasions I truly believe in the title of genius that many fans have foisted upon him. This is made all the more incredible by the fact that it is on this album that he uses synthesizers for the first time, and while they would be incredibly annoying within 5 years time, here his use of them is always, dare I say it, tasteful, not to mention that he achieves some incredible stretches of cathartic beauty with them. But even with his newfound toys, he still manages to incorporate more piano on this album than any other in Genesis' catalogue, and those passages are usually even more entertaining than his synth playing - bombastic, but sounding like they deserve all their bombast.

Even with all that, though, the full emergence of Steve Hackett is what distinguishes this album the most, as this album is easily the most guitar-heavy in Genesis' catalogue, and given my attitude of "more Hackett is better Hackett," that's so much the better. With very few exceptions, he is ALWAYS playing a major role in the sound, whether it be an incredibly intelligent solo or just plain old solid riffing.

And finally, we have Gabriel reaching the absolute pinnacle of his "medieval British herald" shtick - only 3 of the songs have lyrics by him (well, 4 if you count the closing reprise Aisle of Plenty, which brings back the best parts of the opening track), but as far as his mix of bombast, incredibly British humor and unfettered whackiness go, those three songs are certainly among his peaks. Not to mention that he takes full advantage of the chance to play up to them with his singing - if you thought he was taking on some strange roles and offering weird interpretations before, well, you'd be right, but somehow he managed to outdo even himself.

Another thing that strikes me about the album in general is that, as bombastic as it may be in most cases, it also does an incredible job of deflating itself at the proper intervals so that you never feel overwhelmed by the album. I mean, examine the track order by genre - prog, pop, prog, pop, prog, soothing instrumental, prog, reprise. It's simple, really, yet utterly ingenious (not to mention that the reprise is of just the right themes so that you truly feel complete at album's end).

Ok, NOW for the specific songs. In case you aren't aware of it, the opening Dancing with the Moonlit Knight is probably Genesis' finest song ever, as the lyrics and music mix in such a way that is incredible even for this group. Gabriel probably puts forth his best singing effort yet, and he even gets the chance to sing a capella at the very beginning as he begins the process of magically transporting you back to the England that never was. But other instruments are slowly added, layer upon layer - some keys here, a light touch of acoustic guitar, as we build to the bombastic "the captain leads his dance right on through the night" passage before he launches us into a fabulous instrumental break with the cry "knights of the green shield stamp and shout!" And oh what a passage it is, filled with speedy solos and triumphant calls from Steve's guitar, eventually leading to Tony's mellotron imitating a heavenly choir as Peter begins his "There's a fat old lady outside the saloon" spiel.

Eventually, the sung passages come to an end, and this time, the instrumental parts are driven forward by Tony's synths, incorporating weird tones and dissonant pounding in an utterly brilliant combination, before it gradually slows down into a peaceful section with Mike playing 4 notes on his acoustic again and again. Tony plays a beautiful sequence of chords while Steve plays his own ambient selection and Peter throws in some lines on the flute, and it fades out nothing like it began, but seeming all the better for it.

And, of course, it is then followed by one of the greatest pop songs of all time, I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe), about a crossdresser who mows lawns for a living. The lyrics are insane yet memorable, the melody is incredibly complex yet catchy, and there are even lawnmower imitations on the bass guitar. But what amazes me most of all, though, is the drumming. It's not even that the part is necessarily very complex - it's that TONE that Phil pulls out of thin air. Never ever ever have I heard a song where the drums sound even remotely like that - how did he DO THAT??!! Inquiriing minds want to know, so impart thy knowledge please. (PS: A year later, I've finally figured out that that the coolest parts of the drumming are actually Mike making that upwards *DOY* noise off of Phil's strike. I feel like an idiot for not figuring that out earlier, but whatever.)

Now, what comes next, the epic Firth of Fifth, is a whee bit controversial for me. You see, from a purely musical perspective, I could have easily dubbed this song as Genesis' best ever, and thus the best on the album. Unfortunately, Tony writes the lyrics here, and they're some of his worst to date. Not enough to hurt the album as a whole, of course, but enough to remove a whee bit of shine that the song would otherwise have. No matter, though. As far as melody, arrangements, and especially structure go, it is practically the PERFECT progressive composition. Tony's opening piano line is incredible both in its beauty and its difficulty, the main melody is terrific, and then we have the mid-section. Oh boy, DO we have the mid-section. Peter contributes a pretty flute passage, in comes a relaxing piano section, then a bouncy synth reprise of the opening piano line, and to top it all off, Steve comes in and plays his best known solo. It's not fast at all, but that doesn't hurt it in the least - it's a slow, winding, meticulous passage, with repeated climaxes building up the piece until it all releases itself and the main melody shows up again, followed by a wonderful piano fadeout. Can you say "symmetry" boys and girls? I knew you could.

The next track is probably the biggest surprise of all, actually. More Fool Me is a Collins song (both in composition and singing), but the scary thing is that not only does it not suck, it is an incredibly pretty acoustic-driven ballad. The melody is distinct and memorable, the lyrics aren't too saccharine, and it's pretty much the perfect way to catch your breath after the bombast of Firth of Fifth. In other words, lay off of it people - even Phil could write a good song on occasion.

Side two rolls around, and we get Peter's fictional take on a gang battle in the 12 minute The Battle of Epping Forest. As far as Peter the "psychotic theatrical weirdo" goes, this piece was never topped by Gabriel, as Gabriel pulls out a legion of gangster voices (especially funny is hearing him go, "I'm breaking the legs of the b*****d that got me framed!"). And musically, it's fabulous, and honestly never seems overlong to my ears. Tony and Steve are each playing interesting riffs in counterpoint to each other, and Tony comes up with a REALLY good idea with his little trick after each "here comes the cavalry" line, as he makes it easy to see a bunch of 'reinforcments' storming in on horseback to help out.

And don't forget the mid-section, the hilarious nonsensical tale of a reverend who is forced to become a karmamechanic! If you thought there were lots of funny voices in the rest of the song, this passage will absolutely astound you, not to mention that the lyrics are the absolutely whackiest that Gabriel would ever come up with.

Following Forest is a nice instrumental called, appropriately, After The Ordeal. Tony's piano parts in the first half are grand and gorgeous, while the second half relies mostly on various Hackett passages of his usual quality. Overall, while not spectacular by any means, it's still a fully acceptable and even beautiful inclusion onto the album (although I swear that I can hear some quotes of Can-Utility and the Coastliners on there ...). But no matter, because Cinema Show is up as the grand finale. Now don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with those who point out that the opening passage is just a whee bit too similar to the opening of Supper's Ready (in fact, when the band reaches the "na na na na" parts in the middle, it's all I can do to not start singing "I know a farmer who looks after the farm ..."). The lyrics also come from Mike and Tony, so they can't help but be slightly inferior (though the idea of incorporating Romeo and Juliet rather than two incognitos came from Peter). Still, the melody is quite beautiful, and the beauty is sufficient to save the main part of the song on its own.

But that's not the part that everybody adores, now is it? No, it's the lengthy conclusion to the song, which doesn't seem quite right as an end to the song as an individual track, but is DEFINITELY the perfect ending climax for the album as a whole. For the longest time, I was convinced that it was a duet between Tony and Steve, as several of the notes sounded as if they were *plucked* rather than just pressed, but further information has proved me wrong about that. No matter - all that means is that the final stretch of the album is easily Tony Banks' finest moment with the band. EVERYTHING about these keyboard solos exudes a beauty from deep inside - the main theme is incredible, the tones are lovely, the counterpoint near the end is astounding, and, well, I can't begin to express what a well-placed mellotron part does for me. And then the keys slowly fade into the background, as the acoustic line from Moonlit Knight rears its head again, before we say goodbye via Aisle of Plenty.

I don't what else I can say. In writing this, I have expended energy and time that probably should have been better used in studying for my Advanced Calculus final, or my Investment Analysis final, or cramming my brain full of 20th Century Russian history and literature (menya zovoot "Reniassance Man"!). But I don't care. This album deserves my best, and while it may take a while to understand why (again, I was mostly unimpressed when I first heard this), you will someday understand as well.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:42
ahh John has great great reviews thanks for remind me this guy!!
 
by the way i will be posting some more covach and also other obscure articles i found in my endless searching...
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:47
yeah.. I love his reviews...  other than his misplaced love of Genesis we see eye to eye on things, though the way he describes Genesis.. really was quite impressive to read. 

I dream of being able to put my thoughts into words like that.
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Micky  i think that you already do!Smile




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:54
By the way what do you think about this other review:
 
This is from George Starostin:
SELLING ENGLAND BY THE POUND

Year Of Release: 1973
Record rating = 10
Overall rating = 14

One of the most diverse, funny, pathetic, bombastic, mystic, and beautiful prog-rock albums ever.

Best song: DANCING WITH THE MOONLIT KNIGHT

Track listing: 1) Dancing With The Moonlight Knight; 2) I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe); 3) Firth Of Fifth; 4) More Fool Me; 5) The Battle Of Epping Forest; 6) After The Ordeal; 7) The Cinema Show; 8) Aisle Of Plenty.

Yup, either this or Genesis' only reason for existence. Truly, if this one were not my first Genesis album, I doubt that I would ever think of getting deeper into the band. Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot might have been okay, but you have to work really hard in order to appreciate even some of the material, and a lot of it I still treat as absolute filler. Not so with this truly timeless effort. For once, the band seem to have resolved all of their problems. For once, the instrumental passages are suddenly not so boring or even not boring at all - and, quite often, they are downright beautiful. For once, Steve Hackett gets quite a lot of chances to make good use of his instrument (even though he's still exploiting that silly pedal of all things). For once, Tony Banks neglects his synths to play some fresh, exciting piano. For once, Gabriel puts a little bit of everything into his lyrics - from plain, good old-fashioned humour to ultra-bombastic, but still clever lyrics. And, for the first time, Phil Collins gets to shine with a self-penned song, and it doesn't suck! Now that's what I call an album.

Okay now, if we prefer to refer to exact track names, then this is what I'd say. The album opener, 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight', is my current bet for best Genesis song ever. To my mind, the hidden potential of Gabriel's voice didn't come to light until the opening, almost accappella lines, in which majesty alternates with irony and sarcasm with lamentation. The instrumental break is superb, with the synths propelling everything to a fast, butt-kicking groove and Hackett's guitar catching up with the keyboards with gusto. And the closing section, with Mike Rutherford endlessly repeating the same acoustic four notes over and over with synth noises in the background, is simply beautiful, though it might be about thirty or forty seconds overlong. Then comes another favourite - their 'hit single' (which I put in quotes because it wasn't really a hit single, but it was the only thing close to a hit single in Gabriel's epoch) 'I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)'. It demonstrates one thing: that Gabriel has finally become able to come up with short, but still thoroughly enjoyable pop tunes. But the lyrics? 'But I remember a voice from the past/Gambling only plays when you're winning/Had to thank old Miss Mort for schooling a failure'. Groovy. I love this song, too. It has it all: complex, but catchy verses, a bombastic refrain, and, above all, Phil's ingenious drumming (just listen to those rolls all over the place). Classic!

Next? 'Firth Of Fifth', yet another fan favourite. I expected to hate it because it was so pompous and self-indulgent, with lyrics ranking among the band's most pretentious (I wasn't even a bit surprised when I learned their author was Tony Banks and not Peter), but I can't deny the melody. And the instrumental part strikes me as being one of the most intelligently written pieces of music I've ever heard among prog rock tunes. The way that the tearful flute part, the sorrowful piano part, the upbeat synth part and the lamenting guitar part all mesh with each other and participate in creating a complete 'wall of tension'... wow, and then this 'wall of tension' suddenly comes crashing down with a 'consolation' synth part. Wow, now that's really clever. I can imagine that hearing this live might result in a catharsys. Classic, too. And then, after all this bombast, we suddenly go on into a three minute acoustic folkish ditty that introduces us to the songwriting and singing talents of Mr Phil Collins. Clever guy: actually, he can write a good song and knows how to sing it, too! Some might find 'More Fool Me' a bit too saccharin-ee for their tastes, but me, I'm just alright. I do agree that he was banally ripping off the Beatles, though, because sometimes it sounds like something John Lennon might have taped around as a demo, then thrown into the wastebin. That's a compliment to Phil Collins, in case you haven't understood.

Another epic - 'The Battle Of Epping Forest' - well, it might not be a fan favourite, but I've slowly grown addicted to it. For me, this is one fine damn jolly amusing song, with Gabriel just having lots of fun in the studio as well as, once again, demonstrating the unlimited capacity of his voice. Overlong? Hell, anything that's eleven minutes long is overlong. But it rarely becomes boring, that's for sure. There's a lot of catchy hooks all over the place, melodical as well as lyrical, and the part about the 'reverend' falling into the jaws of sin is downright hilarious, even if it really has nothing to do with the 'battle of Epping Forest' by itself. Unfortunately, this is where the album slowly starts to give in, because the final two songs (the instrumental 'After The Ordeal' and another lengthy suite, 'The Cinema Show') just don't thrill me that much. Not that they're bad: were they placed on, say, Nursery Cryme, they could have become the highlights there. On here, they just sound a little weak: 'After The Ordeal' is, let's face it, hardly necessary with the far superior instrumental arrangements on 'Firth Of Fifth', while 'The Cinema Show' borrows its melody from the first parts of 'Supper's Ready' and, even with that, displays very little energy. Because Selling England is, in its essence, an energetic album - the one that keeps your blood flowing most of the time. 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight' shakes you, 'I Know What I Like' kicks you, 'Firth Of Fifth' simply moves you and 'Epping Forest' plainly confuses you. 'The Cinema Show' is more like 'Musical Box': it might thrill you, but it sure don't inspire you or rouse you. Not that everything needs to rouse you, of course, but still... but still, shucks! there's five great songs in a row, resulting in thirty-five minutes worth of great music, plus two good songs. Not to mention that the last minute and a half of 'Cinema Show' is really an independent ditty called 'Aisle Of Plenty' which is actually a reprise of the best part on 'Dancing With The Moonlit Knight'. Good lads! If you dig intelligent British prog rock at all, you can't live without this record. It's great to the point of being my favourite prog rock album of the year. Which year? Why, this year, of course! What other year I'd be living in?




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:54
nah...  get into trouble too many times around here because I can't LOLLOL

and definitely not like this... this floors me everytime I read it...  he really is a good writer.  Never would have thought to describe a group this way.

We've all had this experience at some point, I'm sure. You meet somebody, and sure enough, on first glance, you can see absolutely nothing extraordinary or special about that person. In fact, the only traits that stand out at first are flaws - a slight weight problem, an episode with acne, geeky glasses, whatever. But then, almost by accident, you begin to pick up on little positives - a nice smile, a good sense of humor, a general good demeanor towards life, etc. You still see the negatives, but even then, you begin to realize that they are integral in the shaping of the person, and perhaps, even to a certain (even large) extent, are an actual positive in the full context of that person (not to mention that, since we all have flaws ourselves, the flaws in others help us to see the other as that much more human, which in turn makes the positives that much more appealing). And then the next thing you know, before you realize it, that gangly, ugly person becomes the love of your life (or, at least, of the next couple of months).

For me, no musical group has come closer to that description than Genesis. Upon first listen to the group, my impressions were as follows - a somewhat hoarse, okayish singer; some decent, but not very impressive 'generic prog' guitar solos; use of mellotrons and synthesizers in a mostly, again, 'generic prog' vein. But that, my friends, is why one must NEVER EVER EVER judge a group or an album or a song after one listen. Because that album, my first Genesis album, Selling England by the Pound, is now my favorite progressive rock album, hands down. And not only that, but Genesis is a very, very close second to Yes as my favorite progressive rock group overall, and even then I have my doubts (not to mention that Genesis' pop peak was also higher than Yes' pop peak).




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 16:58
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

nah...  get into trouble too many times around here because I can't LOLLOL

and definitely not like this... this floors me everytime I read it...  he really is a good writer.  Never would have thought to describe a group this way.

 
Actually is She LOLLOL, and also i do like sometimes his writing style, but... she is a pain in the ass with sometimes clever critique.




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:01
And i do hate when her critique of Uriah Heep




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:01
not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:04
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And i do hate when her critique of Uriah Heep


ouch.. harsh LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:05
LOL ' And yes, as long as bad taste exists in this world, there will always be Uriah Heep fans.' LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:05
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by zafreth zafreth wrote:

And i do hate when her critique of Uriah Heep


ouch.. harsh LOL
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:07
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not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL


something about it doesn't "rouse you"...sorry, the keyboard solo is among the most heartfelt, emotional things I've heard in prog, I think it's Banks' best work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:08
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL


something about it doesn't "rouse you"...sorry, the keyboard solo is among the most heartfelt, emotional things I've heard in prog, I think it's Banks' best work.


exactly...Clap

and not just Banks.. probably among my top favorites of ANY keyboard solo...  it still knocks me silly and sideways...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:09
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

LOL ' And yes, as long as bad taste exists in this world, there will always be Uriah Heep fans.' LOL
 LOLLOLLOLLOL one of his favourite quotes...




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:10
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL


something about it doesn't "rouse you"...sorry, the keyboard solo is among the most heartfelt, emotional things I've heard in prog, I think it's Banks' best work.
Of course is Banks best work, but she had "strange reactions" to evident things...




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 20 2008 at 17:11
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

not thrilled by The Cinema Show Pinch.. what a knucklehead....  AngryLOL


something about it doesn't "rouse you"...sorry, the keyboard solo is among the most heartfelt, emotional things I've heard in prog, I think it's Banks' best work.


exactly...Clap

and not just Banks.. probably among my top favorites of ANY keyboard solo...  it still knocks me silly and sideways...
 
and by the way she called "Banksynths" what a Wacko




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