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The Whistler
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Joined: August 30 2006
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 15:58 |
Holy crap, why are Radiohead up there? And, like, WINNING? I'm starting to really like them a freakish amount...
Oh well. Considering the bands, and which ones I'm really aware of, I might say Sabbo. They had their one lil' spot of prog metal with Sabotage, but that's about it.
But, meh. If they're here, they're here. Whado I care?
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"There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson
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horsewithteeth11
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Joined: January 09 2008
Location: Kentucky
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 17:04 |
I'd say good-bye to the Beatles (too pop-ish as far as I can tell), The Who, and Queen. I may not care for Led Zeppelin but I can at least understand how they're on this site in the PR section.
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CryoftheCarrots
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Joined: November 29 2005
Location: Australia
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 17:26 |
Stupid poll
Edited by CryoftheCarrots - August 12 2008 at 17:59
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"There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about"
MJK
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chopper
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 18:05 |
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
I'd say good-bye to the Beatles (too pop-ish as far as I can tell), The Who, and Queen. I may not care for Led Zeppelin but I can at least understand how they're on this site in the PR section.
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And thus the point I made in my previous post is proven.
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micky
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 18:14 |
chopper wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
I'd say good-bye to the Beatles (too pop-ish as far as I can tell), The Who, and Queen. |
And thus the point I made in my previous post is proven.
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yes.. .I saw that post.... and gave it the attention it deserved... to be honest... I would have been embarrassed to have posted that....
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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tszirmay
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 18:54 |
King By-Tor wrote:
NO! God forbid we be retrogressive |
Yup, or even worse Retroagressive
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Garion81
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 19:14 |
micky wrote:
tszirmay wrote:
Jefferson Airplane? Progressive , hmmm I guess in a way but the West Coast scene really cannot qualify as progressive as say Yes, KC or Genesis. Long blown out live jams a prog band does not make .
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I couldn't agree more... did not agree with that one much as I LOVE that group and would be Jack Casady's man-whore at the drop of a hat.. Though.. they were not added as a prog band Thomas.. but something just as ridiculous. As proto-prog. Anyone ever read a write-up on the origins of prog. Had not a damn thing to do with the Airplane.. or any of the stuff on the Left Coast.
And opened the ..hahahha.. doors for other bands that made just as little sense here.
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and I couldn't disagree more with you Micky. They were writing things in different time signatures (especially Grace Slick), the use of the bass as a lead instrument and the guitar harmonies were fairly uniqe and my choices to back that statement up are Rejoyce, Eskimo Blue Day and Wooden Ships. Maybe the band itself or the movement came from was not prog but what they did was certainly proto prog in enough elements to add them. While they weren't the most accomplished musicians they certainly did push a lot of boundaries at a time when most groups were still in top 40 heaven.
I do agree about black Sabbath. They once played a concert with ELP. That is about as close to prog as they would get.
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"What are you going to do when that damn thing rusts?"
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Dean
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Joined: May 13 2007
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 07:25 |
...fortuantely Prog is not a tin of salmon and rejecting or accepting any of the bands listed here will not affect the progginess of the remaining 3000+ bands or the credibility of the PA in general.
The line between Prog and Not Prog is broad, meandering and impossible to define since it is constantly shifting and being redrawn. Even Progressive artist do not know where this line is and will continually push at it (probably more so than pushing the "envelope of Prog" in the opposite direction), thus forcing us to re-assess our own previously held truths or bury our heads in the sand. And "mainstream" artists will push at the line from the opposite direction until they crossover into our world and their's is a riskier path from their perspective with the threat of a lesser return from their desire to be more creative and experimental. We should not be slinging brick-bats at these artists and attempting to kick them out of our playground, but should be welcoming, applauding and encouraging them.
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LeInsomniac
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Location: Portugal
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 09:30 |
All I have to say about this, (to finalize) is that if Radiohead, Black Sabbath, Muse and the likes of this list are here in PA, then Miles Davis has every right to be listed here as well.
Give ME a break.
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Happy Family One Hand Clap, Four Went On But None Came Back
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Yorkie X
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 11:24 |
polls like these have legs
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tszirmay
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 18:10 |
^^^^^^ Favorite Beatles tune HEY BULLDOG! Whadyasay? I said Woof! Ya know anymore?
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I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.
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Okocha
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Joined: July 13 2007
Location: Greece
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 11:03 |
Iron (not Butterfly)!!!
Edited by Okocha - August 14 2008 at 11:04
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 19:55 |
I can't believe the Beatles and Radiohead are taking this kind of beating. Two groups I happen to like a lot. You swine! I picked on Iron Maiden. And nobody better pick on Moody Blues, Kate Bush, or Mike Oldfield or I will have to kick your ass!
Edited by Slartibartfast - August 14 2008 at 20:02
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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dzx
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 20:07 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
I can't believe the Beatles and Radiohead are taking this kind of beating. Two groups I happen to like a lot. You swine!
I picked on Iron Maiden.
And nobody better pick on Moody Blues, Kate Bush, or Mike Oldfield or I will have to kick your ass!
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I know, The Beatles ......key proto-prog band...... As I said before you guys dont know what your talking about!
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was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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Philip
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Posted: August 17 2008 at 11:10 |
Possibly in this order: Radiohead, Muse, Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden
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progrules
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Posted: August 17 2008 at 12:01 |
Well, turned out to be an interesting poll, even more than I had expected !
Just some remarks from my part to elucidate:
1) I know I made my statement harshly, partly meant that way but also to elicit.
(I know I got a lot of bashing because of that but my main intention was to have this discussed)
2) The 25 bands that I chose have had at least one hit in the charts so that was the only criterion.
3) I'm neither a hater of any band nor a troublemaker on this site. I'm just a "purist".
4) I have a soft spot for bands that just make wonderful (progressive) jewels and don't get any financial benefit out of that and some of them don't even care. I think those are more or less the counterparts of the 25 listed above.
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A day without prog is a wasted day
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 17 2008 at 12:27 |
Procol Harum????????????
Is somebody crazy????
If there's a band that defines Proto Prog and makes this term worth is Procol Harum.
Now, ELO and Radiohead....I can live without them in Prog Archives, but they are here and won't vanish, so lets stop this kind of threads that will end in some kind of trouble.
Iván
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Imadofus
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Joined: December 07 2007
Location: Brasil
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Posted: August 17 2008 at 13:07 |
KEEP 'EM ALL
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: August 17 2008 at 13:23 |
progrules wrote:
2) The 25 bands that I chose have had at least one hit in the charts so that was the only criterion.
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Nope, Moody Blues, Procol Harum neither Mike Oldfield have a vote.
Something logical in the last two.
BTW: I'm as purist and maybe more than you, as a fact I'm a proud purist, but this is a lost fight, save your energies progrules, all this bands are here to stay.
Iván
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Dean
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Posted: August 17 2008 at 15:14 |
^ not that chart Iván
progrules wrote:
Well, turned out to be an interesting poll, even more than I had expected !
Just some remarks from my part to elucidate:
1) I know I made my statement harshly, partly meant that way but also to elicit.
(I know I got a lot of bashing because of that but my main intention was to have this discussed)
2) The 25 bands that I chose have had at least one hit in the charts so that was the only criterion.
3) I'm neither a hater of any band nor a troublemaker on this site. I'm just a "purist".
4) I have a soft spot for bands that just make wonderful (progressive) jewels and don't get any financial benefit out of that and some of them don't even care. I think those are more or less the counterparts of the 25 listed above. |
hmm, who else (non PP or PR) has had singles chart success I wonder? Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Jethro Tull, Marillion, Kraftwerk, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Hawkwind, Family, Rush, Peter Gabriel, Focus, Sigur Ros, The Nice, Osibisa, Blood Sweat and Tears, Rare Bird, David Sylvian (with Ryuichi Sakamoto), Argent, East of Eden, The Mars Volta, Fish, It Bites, Manfred Mann's Earth Band, The Strawbs, Mogwai, Robert Wyatt... (note, these are UK "hits" other bands, such as Ekseption & Supersister, have had singles success in their own country).
I have the opposite view - I want bands to get financial reward for their efforts, nothing would please me more than hearing Van der Graaf Generator, Dream Theater, Pendragon and Pain Of Salvation on daytime radio or seeing kids in the Mall wearing Ayreon, Sylvan or Grayceon t-shirts.
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