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Marcos 
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Joined: February 08 2007 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 222 |
 Posted: July 30 2008 at 11:08 |
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First, we recorded the drums at a studio. Then we recorded the other instruments and vocals at home. I have a M-Audio Fast Track Usb, and a Line 6 Pod 2.3
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: July 30 2008 at 16:24 |
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What tone did you use for your guitar?
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21106 |
Posted: July 30 2008 at 18:53 |
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Alright folks, here it comes:
http://progfreak.com/_ws/mediabase/mp3/MikeEnRegalia-Thrash1.mp3 Edit: Second mix, with less snare: http://progfreak.com/_ws/mediabase/mp3/MikeEnRegalia-Thrash1-2.mp3 It's really just my first experiment at recording with Ableton Live ... expect nothing musically challenging. Let me know what you think about the guitar tone though. BTW: I don't have any bass instrument right now so I used a string synth ... in case you were wondering.  Edited by MikeEnRegalia - July 31 2008 at 03:30 |
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Marcos
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Posted: July 30 2008 at 19:41 |
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I don`t remember what tone I used, but I can tell you my way of record a `strong` guitar:
I record two tracks with the same thing, but with different sounds (amp, box, EQ). Then, one of them go to left (35%, maybe) and the other one go to right (35%). You can experiment with this way.
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cobb2
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Joined: November 25 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 415 |
Posted: July 30 2008 at 19:57 |
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MikeEn- Excellent recording. Liked the intro, then the change into the hard driving metal guitars, then the lead out with same echoed chords was nice. Good rythme and balance throughout. Do you sing? If not, I feel a collaboration with Certif1ed coming on- the tune screams out for a vocal. edit: you seem to have got a handle on Ableton fairly quick. The recording was pure and sweet (strange way to describe metal...). Are the drums from Ableton or something else? What about the effects- Ableton or guitar equipment? Shame you didn't have a bass to give more drive. What about writing your bass lines in midi? Edited by cobb2 - July 30 2008 at 20:07 |
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: July 31 2008 at 00:43 |
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A very nice recording Mike
 I liked the guitar tone, but I reckon once you buy that Line 6 X3Live, it will get even better Everything sounded pretty good, but the snare had a bit too much punch in the mix, back off on the snare volume for better balance. |
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: July 31 2008 at 03:06 |
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I did a thorough review, but then lost it, thanks to the "Service Unavailable" bug. Serves me right for not saving what I wrote to Notepad
 The essence of what I wrote is that the tones are really nice - seems like you've gone for the smoother side of metal for this piece. I particularly like the lead sound - like Gilmour/Latimer but smoother.
Overall, I think the tones tend towards the toppy, and there needs to be a beefier rhythm sound - maybe with a little less top, more low-end, and maybe use the neck puckup exclusively, and layer it up?
I hope this posts this time...
I think the tune screams out for a decent vocal...
I'd be happy to lay some bass down, though. Edited by Certif1ed - July 31 2008 at 03:07 |
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MikeEnRegalia
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21106 |
Posted: July 31 2008 at 03:16 |
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^ thanks Harry! I agree about the snare, I did a second mix with less punch.
 @cobb2: Thanks to you too! You're right that the tune calls for vocals, and I do sing ... unfortunately I don't have a microphone yet, and I would have to write some lyrics first. The instruments - except for the guitars of course - are all Ableton Live Lite Edition ... which is fairly limiting since the Lite Edition only comes with a couple of drum sets and a sampler with a few instruments. The drum set is called "80s Gate", and it was the best I could find for the moment. The effects are all Ableton Live as well - the ping pong delay for acoustic/lead, the reverb and compressor. The bass is midi, and like I said above it's simply a string/synth sound from the Ableton Live sampler ("Warm Strings"). The guitars were all recorded through Line6 Gearbox. I'm still evaluating all the options ... I could upgrade to Ableton Suite, I could also buy some software instruments ... I could also buy a real bass. @Cert: Thanks for your kind words! I ran into problems with the forum too when I wrote this post ... let's hope that at some point Max manages to find a permanent solution. I think I'll try to experiment with a rectifier sound for the rhythm parts and see how that works out. As far as the bass is concerned ... playing bass is something which I always wanted to try. If you're interested I could supply you with a mix without the bass, but I also want to try to get ahead in that department. BTW: I'm not really happy with the chord progression in the bridge part ... it sounds more like Porcupine Tree than Thrash. it definitely needs improvement - I just threw it in to have something to play a solo to. Edited by MikeEnRegalia - July 31 2008 at 03:23 |
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: July 31 2008 at 04:09 |
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I'm up for taking a bassless mix and bassing it up
OK, get a composition you're reasonably happy with, and I'll bass that one up
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: August 03 2008 at 14:17 |
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I'm on holiday in Sardinia for the next week and a few days, so have fun!
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: August 14 2008 at 03:07 |
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Got back on Tuesday, and found a couple of hours yesterday to knock up a prototype thrash track.
As for the NWoBHM project, this is a scratchpad of early ideas, not a completed piece.
I composed it in exactly the same way as I did for the HM project;
1. Improvised rhythms to a single drum loop/click track for about 10 minutes or so.
2. Edited it into manageable chunks - I was quite surprised at how many of the various sections I liked, so kept most of them.
3. Added bass, section by section.
4. Noodled away, improvising solo lines - here is where my lack of shredding skillz lets me down a bit - but I figured out a few bluffs (including a couple I nicked from Malmsteen) to make me sound faster and more precise, even though I'm blatantly under-rehearsed and hence very sloppy at this lead style. It was fun, though!
4. Added a second rhythm guitar.
5. Added some more drum loops and fills.
6. Roughly mixed it by panning the rhythm guitars 100% left and right and boosting volume.
There is NO EQing and NO compression, and it was all done via the cans again.
The guitar tones I used were;
Rhythm 1: Metallica - Enter Sandman Verse (downloadable from Tone Locker) Hi Midrange boosted in Gearbox.
Rhythm 2: Metallica - Master of Puppets Rhythm 1 (downloadable from Tone Locker) - volume boosted in Gearbox.
Lead: British Metal - Gearbox Preset.
Bass: Tom Sawyer - Gearbox Preset - volume and bass boosted in Gearbox.
I've removed "Are Friends Electric" and upped it to MySpace - but it won't stay there long!
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: August 14 2008 at 03:35 |
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Gave it a listen, not too bad.
Are you using the KH ESP LTD for this? Sounds like the EMG HZ muddiness coming through, although I'll have the same problem, because my bridge pickup (Seymour Duncan JB) is great for leads but the bottom end is too loose for my liking. Obviously done pretty rough, the lead guitar lacking a bit of punch in the mix. A fairly solid composition actually, more so than I expected. |
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Certif1ed
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: August 14 2008 at 03:54 |
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I'm using my 2 Westone Thunder 1As (lead and bass), so these are both Matsumoku active coil buckers. I always use these guitars to prototype stuff, because I can get practically any sound I want out of them (not perfect, but that's why I own other guitars which are more "specialist" sounding). My lead is a fairly early model from 1983, with Matsumoku Hammer pickups, which are serviceable humbuckers, but the bass is a very late (1987) model, so has two fat Magnabasses - hence the reasonable Rickenbacker 4000 series impersonation
 . I switched the actives off for the first rhythm guitar - and it punches through in the mix better than the second, which is a pity, as I played much better rhythms the second time around (you always hear what can be improved as you work on a piece!).
I deliberately trimmed the treble on both instruments to try to fatten the sound a bit, and rolled the bass off the entire mix, as my earlier mixes were all a bit too bassy - but probably overdid it (that's what you get for mixing in headphones
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cobb2
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Joined: November 25 2007 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 415 |
Posted: August 14 2008 at 06:51 |
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Well done. You got the musical style pegged right. Reminded me of early Metallica- even some of the lead licks had that Hammettish feel about them. I know this was just about style, but for a first mix not too shabby at all.
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