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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: August 12 2008 at 21:02 |
Well, now I can give my honest opinion, Ive been intensively listening "Master of Pupetts" their allegedly proggiest album, and can't fond the connection, probably they used some techniques that would be used by Prog Metal bands, but don't believe it's enough, not even Orion
Adding to this fact that I have "And Justice for All" I can vote in the poll.
Maybe I'm wrong because I don't consider myself remotely a Prog Metal expert but had to be honest and vote with better knowledge.
Despite this opinion, having them in the Archives wouldn't make me feel so uncomfortable as other bands.
Iván
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 21:17 |
 Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
Well, now I can give my honest opinion, Ive been intensively listening "Master of Pupetts" their allegedly proggiest album, and can't fond the connection, probably they used some techniques that would be used by Prog Metal bands, but don't believe it's enough, not even Orion
Adding to this fact that I have "And Justice for All" I can vote in the poll.
Maybe I'm wrong because I don't consider myself remotely a Prog Metal expert but had to be honest and vote with better knowledge.
Despite this opinion, having them in the Archives wouldn't make me feel so uncomfortable as other bands.
Iván
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 is it a crack in the armor ?!  good, fair assessment Ivan, if you don't buy them as progressive after those two albums it's probably not gonna happen ..to me they're a heavy metal band that progressed at a time when it wasn't as fashionable.. but it is ultimately out of our hands
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:19 |
I think: NO, despite somewhat "Progressive" elements in his music, Metallica is pure Heavy Metal creation, it's like said that Slayer or Anthrax goes to PA.
i think there are more bands and artist that deserves to be in PA than Metallica.
my two cents
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:30 |
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The differences between Master of Puppets and Reign of Blood should be obvious to anyone ...
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JethroZappa
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:34 |
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Should Metallica be in the forum?
No
I think they are not even close to the word "prog", and I don't see particoular musicianship in their albums either and I think Lars Ulrich's drumming is very weak (remember Metallica fans, that's just my opinion)
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:35 |
Of course Mike, but Those albums are cited by guitar player, in the Heaviest 50 albums of all time.
Slayer Reing in Blood in number 6.
Metallica Master of... in number 17.
I think that both albums are totally heavy metal and all his variants.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:38 |
Well Lars have a "punch" of Heavy Metal standards but not for prog standards, besides he will look like a 8 year old drumming , between Bill Bruford or Mike Portnoy.
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:39 |
Well Lars have a good "punch" for Heavy Metal Standards, but for prog standards... he might look like 8 year old drumming between prog giants of the stature of Brufford or Portnoy.
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 17:54 |
zafreth wrote:
Of course Mike, but Those albums are cited by guitar player, in the Heaviest 50 albums of all time.
Slayer Reing in Blood in number 6.
Metallica Master of... in number 17.
I think that both albums are totally heavy metal and all his variants.
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but how does an album being considered 'heaviest' by a magazine mean it wasn't a prog album.. A Passion Play was #1in the U.S. for a time in 1973, does that mean it was a pop record only disguised as pretentious, widely-panned prog nonsense?
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 18:49 |
I think that Metallica themselves never consider Prog acts.
Here´s extracts of an 1999 interview:
"Virginmega.com: If you did an album the other way around, like Metallica plays classical favorites, could you guys pull it off?
Hetfield: What, like us playing my favorite Bach piece? Not really. But as a joke I did a whole set list of Metallica songs with orchestra innuendoes. There was Mozart Breath instead of 'Motor Breath,' Wolfgang Man instead of 'Of Wolf and Man.' I think there's been enough rock musicians doing stuff like that - Yngwie Malmsteen, Dream Theater. It doesn't really interest me. It's a little too rigid."
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 18:57 |
^ but you don't have to be accomplished at classical to do progressive metal, that's like saying Floyd weren't progressive cause Gilmour couldn't shred and Rick Wright was dull compared to Wakeman, or that Rush aren't progressive cause they come from a hard rock background ..and many artist don't consider themselves 'prog', never stopped us before 
Edited by Atavachron - August 13 2008 at 19:02
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 19:05 |
Agree with you in part but... if you read between lines in the extract of the interview, Hetflied pointed out one archetypical metal progressive band: Dream Threater.
So Hetflied might want to say to his interview that are other bands that do elaborate, and intricate long solos with multiple tempo changes, etc, and he and Metallica, don't interest at all.
And you will agree with me that Classical music is an influence of progressive rock.
Edited by zafreth - August 13 2008 at 19:06
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 19:07 |
Besides i think that the poll is talking itself
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micky
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 19:09 |
Atavachron wrote:
^ but you don't have to be accomplished at classical to do progressive metal, that's like saying Floyd weren't progressive cause Gilmour couldn't shred and Rick Wright was dull compared to Wakeman, or that Rush aren't progressive cause they come from a hard rock background ..and many artist don't consider themselves 'prog', never stopped us before
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 hahah.. yeah... it seems like a sport to see who can distance themselves from ....errr..and grrrr.. being LABELED (have I mentioned today how much I hate that word  ) prog.
Edited by micky - August 13 2008 at 19:09
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Alberto Muñoz
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 19:10 |
[/QUOTE] hahah.. yeah... it seems like a sport to see who can distance themselves from ....errr..and grrrr.. being LABELED (have I mentioned today how much I hate that word ) prog. [/QUOTE]
hahahaha  nice to see here friend
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micky
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 19:22 |
thanks.... I was just passing through on a spamming run... Do think it funnier than hell all the prog artists that tell anyone that will listen that they aren't. We just judge (err.. SHOULD )on the music.. screw the tags and labels don't let me interrupt... I read more than I post believe it or not....
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Atavachron
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 19:22 |
zafreth wrote:
Besides i think that the poll is talking itself
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undoubtedly, and Metallica won't be added to the site anytime soon
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Real Paradox
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 19:48 |
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I believe they may be accepted in this forum, but definitely as a progressive band... but just as prog related. If Iron Maiden, and other more metal bands were inducted in here, I guess Metallica as the credibility and props from at least the prog metal heads that are here in the forum, to become one of the bands. I'm voting "yes" on the poll.
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 01:38 |
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undoubtedly, and Metallica won't be added to the site anytime soon
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by the way, the poll title says "to the forum"... so in a way, Metallica HAVE been added to the forum..... they'rebeing discussed here after all... now, added to the website or database, that's another matter.... 
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: August 14 2008 at 02:03 |
Metallica aren't in the forum.......... I don't see James Hetfield, Kirk Hammett, Lars Ulrich or Rob Trujillo around here yet  Hell it would be good to see them around, I would finally get to ask Kirk one on one why he uses the wah wah pedal too much and can't vibrato properly
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