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Q6
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Topic: Are Prog Fans Musicians or Not? Posted: August 13 2008 at 12:24 |
I hope this question gets you clicking. Here's what I've noticed..., 1: Most of my friends who like prog music play an instrument. 2: Most of the musicians I know like prog music. 3: Most of my friends who don't play an instrument don't get prog. So are Prog fans musically bias? Does studying an instrument enable you to appreciate more complex melodic / harmonic and Rhythmic structures? Or am I just hanging about with the wrong people? I wonder . UPDATES TO POLL: 14 August 2008 - Only 33.3% don't play an instrument.
Edited by Q6 - August 14 2008 at 15:20
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fusionfreak
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 12:41 |
7 years earlier I began to learn how to play the guitar but I was too lazy and I stopped within a week.I never
tried again since 2001 but my friends think I'm an accomplished air guitarist mostly on heavy metal stuff
(Number of the beast is one of my "best" performances).But being a non musician doesn't prevent me
from enjoying prog,avant,jazz fusion or psych and as says Hughes from Anthurus d'Archer(crazy avant music)A listener who enjoys demanding music,making stuff in his own brain does as much as a musician.
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song_of_copper
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 12:45 |
I can 'sort-of' play piano, but only stuff I've made up myself. I would, however, consider myself a singer - not magnificently technical, but able to carry a tune, hit the high and low notes, and 'put it across'. I've written songs pretty much all my life. Utterly clueless on theory (despite doing A level Music and various singing exams down the years), but 'instinctively musical' to a considerable degree. And in relation to 'prog' music... I have to say that I've always avoided basic pop music etc., because if I want a pop song, I might as well write one of my own (which will be more relevant to me anyway!). I'm well aware of my personal limits and this helps me to really appreciate the skill, inventiveness and virtuosity - and the occasional touch of innate genius - of my favourite musicians (mostly 'progressive' types, it has to be said...). If nothing else, some level of musical skill/experience helps you be more discerning, I guess.
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Padraic
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 12:51 |
I played drums at a very mediocre level many years ago. I'd love to start playing again and maybe take lessons but don't have time. I'm content being a non-musician.
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Logan
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 12:54 |
I'm an amateur musician. I studied piano and trumpet/ French horn, and my old girlfriend, and books, taught me the acoustic guitar (but not very good). The only instrument I was ever good at was the trumpet (youth orchestra) but I've barely played it in twenty years. I wouldn't describe myself as a musician, but I guess I could count as a poor one. My favourite instrument to play is the xylophone. Let's have a brass option.
If I could be good at any instrument, I would like it to be piano.
I am good at playing the rhombus -- triangle proved to be too much of a challenge.
It's shame that musical talent seemed to skip me. My father was a wonderful amateur pianist and composer, his father was a flautist, and my bother's a multi-instrumentalist and composer (can pick up any instrument so easily and play be ear), but me... nah. Decidedly untalented.
I don't think my studies were advanced enough to really appreciate prog. I think it's more that I was raised on classical so I'd come to appreciate more complexity (especially harmony) in the music.
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Luke. J
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 12:57 |
I have been playing keyboards since I was five or six years old, in the last six years I focused on piano but now get back to more synthesizer-stuff. Since about one year I play the guitar, but fail terribly on barré - some training will do soon, I am sure
Also, I have an acceptable knowledge of music theory, the only thing I totally lack is complex chord progressions. Simple movements, yes, but no challenging patterns. It is enough for an ordinary jam, though.
Do not ask me about my singing voice until I have finished my teenage years
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Q6
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 13:00 |
So many talented people. It looks like my theory may be true Should I add air guitar???
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 13:33 |
Not a musician. I picked up a guitar and tried self-teaching myself when I was 15 or 16 but never got much further than Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and Jimmy Cracked Corn plus a couple of well-known but probably fairly simple riffs such as Smoke on the Water and Paranoid (not the whole songs, but just the famous riffs). I was learning on an electric guitar and when I broke a string trying to tune it, my dad gave me one of his acoustic strings to replace it since I was just learning. It sounded pretty horrible though, and I couldn't talk him into getting me a new electric guitar string so I pretty much quit at that point and haven't picked up a guitar in the 20+ years since then. Those were the pretty rough teenage years where father and son couldn't seem to have a conversation without it turning into a pretty heated argument so we were probably both at fault for the end of my rock star career.
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 13:35 |
I'm a pianist.
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Zargus
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 13:52 |
nope, I don't play any instruments. And i only sing in the shower...
Edited by Zargus - November 23 2008 at 05:39
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Blacksword
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 13:57 |
I play the drums, although it's been many years, so I'm probably pretty bad these days. I've never played in a prog band, though. Mainly Indie and Metal in my youth.
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 14:02 |
I've been playing keyboards badly for years and I can meow tunefully down a microphone.
honestly I'd never consider actually joining a band - I'd want to mastermind everything. All I do musically that gets shown to people is make messy, noisy chiptunes; I am told that that's a waste of talent but I almost certainly don't care.
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 14:05 |
Bass player here, but didnt take it up until after I started listening to prog.
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Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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The T
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 14:29 |
I'm a self-taught drummer. Ask me to play metal or hard rock and I'll deliver in every area (double-bass drum included). Ask me for jazz/fusion or more complex rhythms and my performance will not be as impressive. (I don't know more than a couple rudiments, imagine that).
I enjoy prog as much as any other I guess. But it's true that musicians tend to like prog more than non-musicians. And here I give this meaning to the word "musician": person that needs to understand the music he's hearing, at least on a rudimentary level, person not content with just "listening".
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Q6
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 14:57 |
Now then "The T" I'm glad to hear it's not just me who has noticed that pattern in my peers.
Not sure what you mean by "understand the music" in a "rudimentary" way?
I suppose it helps if you can recognise the individual instruments in a mix. This helps separate the spectrum of sounds down to their separate constituents.
I suppose that's why pizza tastes better as a pizza, with layer upon layer of tasty goodness, rather than a blended mush of bread tomato and topping(s).
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The T
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:14 |
^Exactly. The pizza example is quite good. What I mean is, the average person likes music (most people DO like music) but just as background, or for dancing to, or to create moods, whatever. It's not the music itself but what it can generate in their senses, feelings, etc. In most prog fans' cases, they also want to enjoy the music just as music, trying to understand at least basic things as which instrument this is, what is harmony as opposed to melody, how on instrument is doing this while the other does that, what is a concept, and so on... things that most non-musicians (or "musicians" according to my definition above) really don't care about. Which is another valid, but different to most prog fans, approach to music enjoyment.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:15 |
I play electric guitar ... several other instruments too actually, but the guitar is my favorite instrument.
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Q6
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:24 |
If you've ever read "Zen and the art of Motorcycle maintenance" you can see there are two types of people. Those that ride motorcycles trusting that all the intricacies and mechanical bits will just work. The "romantics" treat the bike as a whole machine. The there are those "classical" individuals who need to know what a spark plug does, or how to tweak the carburetor to improve performance. I would therefore say most prog fans are adopt this classical approach to their music.
Perhaps thats why there's no category as Romantic Prog - It's an oxymoron.
Right I need a beer.
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Negru Voda
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:38 |
I can whistle.
No, seriously, I would like to learn to play a musical instrument (I was thinking about bass or sax or acoustic guitar), but unfortunately I'm going to get a job in september and I don't think I'll have time for it.
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Q6
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Posted: August 13 2008 at 15:42 |
Sounds like an excuse Negru. Lifes no rehearsal. Go buy yourself a 6 string.
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