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The whole idea of predetermination is derived from the common misconception that events or moments naturally follow each other and that any moment n comes before the moment n+1 and after the moment n-1. However, if everything was predetermined, the predetermination would have had to happen before the first predetermined moment. Since this can't be the case, we must assume that every moment is determined not by the previous moment, but by some law that exists outside time and thus not before but above the first moment. Since this law L may always be derived from another law (L & (L -> L)) there is not one but several laws that govern the actual events (which may or may not follow each other, but which certainly are exactly what they are regardless of any other moment it may or may not follow). If this is indeed my tangential reply, it is so not because it bears a certain relation to the posts before it, but because it is what it is and thus cannot be otherwise.

Edited by Vompatti - August 12 2008 at 11:31

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Vompatti Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67407	Posted: August 12 2008 at 11:30
	The whole idea of predetermination is derived from the common misconception that events or moments naturally follow each other and that any moment n comes before the moment n+1 and after the moment n-1. However, if everything was predetermined, the predetermination would have had to happen before the first predetermined moment. Since this can't be the case, we must assume that every moment is determined not by the previous moment, but by some law that exists outside time and thus not before but above the first moment. Since this law L may always be derived from another law (L & (L -> L)) there is not one but several laws that govern the actual events (which may or may not follow each other, but which certainly are exactly what they are regardless of any other moment it may or may not follow). If this is indeed my tangential reply, it is so not because it bears a certain relation to the posts before it, but because it is what it is and thus cannot be otherwise. Edited by Vompatti - August 12 2008 at 11:31

Dean Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575	Posted: August 12 2008 at 06:05
	Be that as it may, or may not, (as the case may ultimately be), the essential premise of any tangential thought whether logical or illogical, trivial or relevant must at some stage be pertinent to the generic state of meaning hitherto ignored by whatever means the postee generated the words on a page (I for one use the modern equivalent, or the "glass typewriter" as I an want to call it) and that stochastic developments of this here thread, while they will inevitably be unpredictable by their very nature, must by some virtue yet to be determined, be backwardly relational.
	What?

Vompatti Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67407	Posted: August 12 2008 at 05:43
	While I certainly agree with your insightful remarks I can't help but point out that such references are merely logical and thus trivial constructions that can be formed on any material regardless of its semantic value. What comes to the typewriter, most often what comes to the typewriter from the typist comes to the typist from the typewriter.

Dean Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575	Posted: August 12 2008 at 04:39
	The typewriter buzzed, it being an electric model: "It always puzzled me to the tangential qualities that any of the posts in the previous incarnation of this thread; surely they should have had some contact or reference with the previous post before branching off on some perpendicular line of thought and not just be random disconnected utterances" ... the words hammered in the crisp white pater as he typed, throwing urgency and emphasis into the reply.
	What?

Vompatti Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67407	Posted: August 12 2008 at 04:14
	"I can't think of anything funny to write here", the writer said, and his typewriter said the same.

Petrovsk Mizinski Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210	Posted: August 12 2008 at 04:11
	"Can we raise the bar further?" Jenny asked the crowd. It was always a strange misconception that the bar could be lowered. Many had tried, but simply fell flat on their faces. Many tried using hyper technological tools, still failed. So it was back to the drawing board, only to realize perhaps the bar should be raised instead.


Vompatti Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member VIP Member Joined: October 22 2005 Location: elsewhere Status: Offline Points: 67407	Posted: August 12 2008 at 04:01
	Some of you may already know what the word 'electricity' stands for. If so, raise your leftmost hand and whisper in a gentle way: "Victory!" And if you're a mountain lion, well, that's not my problem anyhow.