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Poll Question: which commercial bands would we like to disappear from the site ?
Poll Choice Votes Poll Statistics
1 [0.41%]
12 [4.90%]
48 [19.59%]
8 [3.27%]
2 [0.82%]
19 [7.76%]
1 [0.41%]
23 [9.39%]
3 [1.22%]
2 [0.82%]
1 [0.41%]
5 [2.04%]
0 [0.00%]
0 [0.00%]
14 [5.71%]
0 [0.00%]
25 [10.20%]
55 [22.45%]
2 [0.82%]
1 [0.41%]
3 [1.22%]
2 [0.82%]
2 [0.82%]
3 [1.22%]
13 [5.31%]
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 08:55
Originally posted by fandango fandango wrote:

^^quite right...I think it's about time this thread was locked, before some smart-arse decides that Pink Floyd or Genesis shoudn't be here....Wacko



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 09:55
even the most open minded and in musical taste most versatile and best established
cannot be here without having a major question mark above band's names, be it
a commercially successful, “prog-related“ (your term, not mine), a stadium rock
or just a good rock’nroll act. which is why i would like to put in a vote for QUEEN.
this has nothing to do with their importance as a band.

and while we're at it – DOORS and SANTANA are an iffy issue for me, too. so what!
progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 10:29
retracted my comment after thinking about it ...  dont read this its pointless and a waste of your time  Embarrassed


Edited by Yorkie X - August 11 2008 at 11:48
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:10
Some groups don't need to be here, Ill give some examples: Muse, Radiohead, Queen, Talk Talk, Iron Maiden, 10 CC, and Black Sabbath, but thats just my opinion; even David Bowie which I ove shouldnt be here, and its not because of comercial sucess, its mainly because of they're lack of (if we may call it that) progressiveness in the composition in their works;

And the whole idea of Proto-Prog and Prog-Related may be a cute idea to make people learn of some theories of pseudo-origins of other certain prog-rock groups, well if thats so, lets put proto-jazz or something, cause, it was jazz that eventually led to the birth of rock and blues.

Well, let the debate that won't get anywhere...continue.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:17
It's quite depressing to see how many votes this poll is getting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:23
From being open minded to its definitions of 'prog' this site has become THE resource on the web for discovering good music with reviews that for the most part can be relied upon as being subjective and informative. If you dont believe me visit some of the metal sites which review as a percentage where you find idiots rating albums with every song as 100 cause they like it and others at 0 cause they dont.
 
Sabbath not prog? give me a break
was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:40
King Crimson
was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:46
Something to consider:  one need not enjoy or approve of every band featured in the Archives.  In fact, you do have the option of not liking every artist sanctioned as "Prog." 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:10
^ Exactly Winterlight. If you don't like a group, don't read about them, that's what I say. No vote on this poll from me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:12
Originally posted by erik neuteboom erik neuteboom wrote:

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Spot on as always, Erik Clap!
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I've got my doubts about how much to contribute
to the already rich among us...'

Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:24
Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

^ Exactly Winterlight. If you don't like a group, don't read about them, that's what I say. No vote on this poll from me.


We're all different.  Even if I don't like a group I may still want to read about it as I'm interested in things outside of my tastes, and one may like a group that one still doesn't think appropriate to its category, or even to PA.

I'm quite inclusive -- provided I think a band/ artist has been categorised reasonably well, and have hoped to see progressive archives progress into more progressive music (even if not really Prog) -- of course this may require new "progreessive" categories for reasonable placement.

There are some bands/ artists whose category I would change (and some I'd move to prog-related if it were up to me), but I wouldn't want to remove bands from the archives --a lot of work and preparation has gone into the additions (from evaluation, discussing and even debating the merits/ category, to preparing the addition).  It would be unfair on the people who went to all that work to just remove an addition.  Each proper addition, ones that follow the guidelines, involves considerable work.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:26
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

^ Exactly Winterlight. If you don't like a group, don't read about them, that's what I say. No vote on this poll from me.


We're all different.  Even if I don't like a group I may still want to read about it as I'm interested in things outside of my tastes, and one may like a group that one still doesn't think appropriate to its category, or even to PA.

I'm quite inclusive -- provided I think a band/ artist has been categorised reasonably well, and have hoped to see progressive archives progress into more progressive music (even if not really Prog) -- of course this may require new "progreessive" categories for reasonable placement.

There are some bands/ artists whose category I would change (and some I'd move to prog-related if it were up to me), but I wouldn't want to remove bands from the archives --a lot of work and preparation has gone into the additions (from evaluation, discussing and even debating the merits/ category, to preparing the addition).  It would be unfair on the people who went to all that work to just remove an addition.  Each proper addition, ones that follow the guidelines, involves considerable work.
was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:29
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

^ Exactly Winterlight. If you don't like a group, don't read about them, that's what I say. No vote on this poll from me.


We're all different.  Even if I don't like a group I may still want to read about it as I'm interested in things outside of my tastes, and one may like a group that one still doesn't think appropriate to its category, or even to PA.

I'm quite inclusive -- provided I think a band/ artist has been categorised reasonably well, and have hoped to see progressive archives progress into more progressive music (even if not really Prog) -- of course this may require new "progreessive" categories for reasonable placement.

There are some bands/ artists whose category I would change (and some I'd move to prog-related if it were up to me), but I wouldn't want to remove bands from the archives --a lot of work and preparation has gone into the additions (from evaluation, discussing and even debating the merits/ category, to preparing the addition).  It would be unfair on the people who went to all that work to just remove an addition.  Each proper addition, ones that follow the guidelines, involves considerable work.
 
At the risk of being pertinent I really think Tori Amos should be included as shes a lot more prog than a lot of artists here and for me is a real omission
was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:36
^ Personally, I DO read about other bands, whether I like them or not. What I am saying is that if a band is not considered prog by a section of our posters this does not merit a band's exclusion. If you feel that strongly, just leave it alone, don't bother reading.
This is an amazing website and gives me an immense amount of enjoyment, exchanging news and views with likeminded proggies. I've learnt so much from this site, and I don't know how I managed without it.
You won't find any negativity from me, sorry if my last post came across differently Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:38
Originally posted by dzx dzx wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

^ Exactly Winterlight. If you don't like a group, don't read about them, that's what I say. No vote on this poll from me.


We're all different.  Even if I don't like a group I may still want to read about it as I'm interested in things outside of my tastes, and one may like a group that one still doesn't think appropriate to its category, or even to PA.

I'm quite inclusive -- provided I think a band/ artist has been categorised reasonably well, and have hoped to see progressive archives progress into more progressive music (even if not really Prog) -- of course this may require new "progreessive" categories for reasonable placement.

There are some bands/ artists whose category I would change (and some I'd move to prog-related if it were up to me), but I wouldn't want to remove bands from the archives --a lot of work and preparation has gone into the additions (from evaluation, discussing and even debating the merits/ category, to preparing the addition).  It would be unfair on the people who went to all that work to just remove an addition.  Each proper addition, ones that follow the guidelines, involves considerable work.
 
At the risk of being pertinent I really think Tori Amos should be included as shes a lot more prog than a lot of artists here and for me is a real omission


I think I lent support to Tori Amos before when she was suggested for inclusion -- hmm, I seem to remember that it was suggested that she, along with female artists such as Bjork, Laurie Anderson and Kate Bush, be included in a new category -- Chick Prog. Wink Not PC I know -- don't shoot the messenger.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:43
Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

^ Personally, I DO read about other bands, whether I like them or not. What I am saying is that if a band is not considered prog by a section of our posters this does not merit a band's exclusion. If you feel that strongly, just leave it alone, don't bother reading.
This is an amazing website and gives me an immense amount of enjoyment, exchanging news and views with likeminded proggies. I've learnt so much from this site, and I don't know how I managed without it.
You won't find any negativity from me, sorry if my last post came across differently Smile
 
 
it didnt come across differently and I agree with your views wholeheartedly. This site is a pleasure of discovery and diverseness
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:57
Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

^ Personally, I DO read about other bands, whether I like them or not. What I am saying is that if a band is not considered prog by a section of our posters this does not merit a band's exclusion. If you feel that strongly, just leave it alone, don't bother reading.
This is an amazing website and gives me an immense amount of enjoyment, exchanging news and views with likeminded proggies. I've learnt so much from this site, and I don't know how I managed without it.
You won't find any negativity from me, sorry if my last post came across differently Smile


I wanted to go on a tangent since I've seen it said by a number of people that if you don't like a band, ignore it (which wouldn't work for me, because I want to gain more general knowledge -- though this is just a hobby for me and isn't like, say when I was in film studies which required me to watch and learn about films that I didn't inherently enjoy).  For passionate music lovers, and people who are passionate about this site's direction, as well people who just like to debate merits as well as those who actually evaluate music for the site, it's not surprising that some wish to read and post their opinions about merits.  Again, we're all different. I find such discussion stimulating.  Controversy is stimulating.  My opinions are expressed in my post before, but I respect that others feel and wish to express themselves differently.  I feel strongly, and get worked up, about wars, yet I still follow it.  I would rather people discuss such issues in a less passionate and more rational way, but, hey that's me.  Anyway, this topic also relates to the site's direction, how inclusive should PA be?  Ultimately that's up to the owners, but those who care about the site will have an opinion.

And I generally find exchanges between not so like-minded proggies more interesting (must admit that I prefer getting involved in polite discussion than heated debate as I'm pretty casual in life).  Conflict is at the root of drama, and drama can be very entertaining.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:04
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by dzx dzx wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by Roj M30 Roj M30 wrote:

^ Exactly Winterlight. If you don't like a group, don't read about them, that's what I say. No vote on this poll from me.


We're all different.  Even if I don't like a group I may still want to read about it as I'm interested in things outside of my tastes, and one may like a group that one still doesn't think appropriate to its category, or even to PA.

I'm quite inclusive -- provided I think a band/ artist has been categorised reasonably well, and have hoped to see progressive archives progress into more progressive music (even if not really Prog) -- of course this may require new "progreessive" categories for reasonable placement.

There are some bands/ artists whose category I would change (and some I'd move to prog-related if it were up to me), but I wouldn't want to remove bands from the archives --a lot of work and preparation has gone into the additions (from evaluation, discussing and even debating the merits/ category, to preparing the addition).  It would be unfair on the people who went to all that work to just remove an addition.  Each proper addition, ones that follow the guidelines, involves considerable work.
 
At the risk of being pertinent I really think Tori Amos should be included as shes a lot more prog than a lot of artists here and for me is a real omission


I think I lent support to Tori Amos before when she was suggested for inclusion -- hmm, I seem to remember that it was suggested that she, along with female artists such as Bjork, Laurie Anderson and Kate Bush, be included in a new category -- Chick Prog. Wink Not PC I know -- don't shoot the messenger.
 
Forgot about Bjork. If there ever was an experimental artist she is the epitome, ever changing, ever progressing!
was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:17
leave 'em all in here, I would say, as the acts I know (like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Kate Bush, the Beatles etc.)all did at the very least have some progressive tendencies at some point, with the Beatles being among those showing the way to go.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:37
For instance Radiohead's Kid A is a commercial album?Confused
I have no issues with this bands in the Archives, they are not Gentle Giant, but have some great music, with some proggy tendencies.
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