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HaroldLand
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Topic: Yes lyrics, does anybody understand these? Posted: August 03 2008 at 22:58 |
It kind of occurred to me recently that as much as I've listened to Yes, and as much as I currently listen to Yes, I've never really understood any of the lyrics, and frankly, find them quite cryptic. But honestly, I realized that I've never even cared. Yes for me is 100 percent the music. The vocals are a huge part of that, but the words are somewhat meaningless to me.
Does anyone actually read into Yes lyrics, and are Yes' lyrics something that particularly stand out to some people enough to be a main reason why they listen to Yes?
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 03:15 |
Jon has gone through about four phazes of lyric construction. Phaze one (Yes and A Time and a Word) is easily understandable. Phaze four (90125 onwards) is not much more difficult. Phaze three (GFTO and Tormato) can be understood with a bit of work. Phaze two (TYA through Relayer) is inscrutable.
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 04:51 |
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Phaze two (TYA through Relayer) is inscrutable. |
Are you sure? There are probably a few lyrics from that era that are indeed inscrutable, but Your Move and Gates of Delirium both are easy to figure out with some effort (being about chess and war, in my understanding).
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 05:25 |
nope... and never tried... it's part of the charm of prog. Much like Italian prog... I know for a fact I could never enjoy Concerto della Menti if I understood what he was 'singing' about. Life is too short for wasting brain-cells trying to figure the stuff out. Listen to music ... for the music. The times when you aren't, or can't, is when you should be trying to figure out the grand meanings of life.
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 06:06 |
Harold, I'm pretty much in total agreement with you. I love the sound of Jon Anderson's voice and even sing along myself but for the most part know not what he is singing about. It's part of the magic though isn't it? I catch his drift on Don't Kill The Whale, but that's about it!!
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Posted: August 04 2008 at 07:57 |
Kim Ankara wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Phaze two (TYA through Relayer) is inscrutable. |
Are you sure? There are probably a few lyrics from that era that are indeed inscrutable, but Your Move and Gates of Delirium both are easy to figure out with some effort (being about chess and war, in my understanding).
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Agreed, Gates isn't that hard to understand. Anderson has admitted that he picks words for their sound rather than meaning so I wouldn't read too much into them. I still don't know what a "seasoned witch" is, presumably one that has been liberally laced with salt and pepper?
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Posted: August 05 2008 at 12:34 |
Kim Ankara wrote:
ghost_of_morphy wrote:
Phaze two (TYA through Relayer) is inscrutable. |
Are you sure? There are probably a few lyrics from that era that are indeed inscrutable, but Your Move and Gates of Delirium both are easy to figure out with some effort (being about chess and war, in my understanding).
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 22:17 |
A "seasoned witch" is probably a stream of consciousness reference to Donovan's Season of the Witch. I'm sure we could parse most of the lyrics similarly.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 22:28 |
Speaking of Yes lyrics, can anyone please tell me what is being sung at
the end of To Be Over? Are there even lyrics or are these just sounds?
Thank you.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 22:48 |
jammun wrote:
A "seasoned witch" is probably a stream of consciousness reference to Donovan's Season of the Witch. I'm sure we could parse most of the lyrics similarly. |
Wow! Never thought of that. I just thought he meant an old witch.
In any case, Jon's greatest period of lyric-writing for me is that inscrutable period. He was just in a zone, mystically freed of any constraints, letting the music inspire cascades of poetry that perfectly matched said music.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 22:59 |
I don't think anyone does because they don't make any sense at all.
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HaroldLand
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 23:10 |
i have to agree with jammun. regarding looking into them and figuring them out, honestly for me it doesn't even matter. the words just sound musical and fit seamlessly into the melodies they're singing. and it was always the yes music that inspired me the most, never the words. i just posed this question because I realized having listened to yes for so long, i've never paid any attention to the words. but this little thread pretty much just affirms my feeling that the words don't really even matter that much. if you can understand them, and take something from them, great, that's a bonus. but if not, they do absolutely nothing to detract from the beauty of yes. i've always loved "coming quickly to terms of all expression laid, emotion revealed as the ocean maid. as the movement regained and regarded both the same, all complete in the sight of seeds of life with you." honestly, though, what a beautiful passage, right? doesn't mean much to me, and probably makes a lot more sense in the greater context of the piece, but yeah... whatever. sounds good.
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Posted: August 07 2008 at 23:16 |
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Posted: August 08 2008 at 08:01 |
yesman1972 wrote:
Speaking of Yes lyrics, can anyone please tell me what is being sung at the end of To Be Over? Are there even lyrics or are these just sounds? Thank you. |
I assume you mean the bit where they "sing" the opening riff in the background. It sounds like a non-English language to me but I couldn't say which one.
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Posted: August 08 2008 at 08:08 |
'The Gates Of Delirium' is very much assisted by the music IMHO. Jon has explicitly stated it's a song about war and corruption and indeed the music goes along with that, and I've always taken 'Soon' to be a hopeful climax too- a sort of 'calm after the storm', a hope for peace if you will.
Honestly I've never been too worried about Jon's lyrics, at least not until the soppiness of his later stuff like 'If Only You Knew' and 'Soft As A Dove'.
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Posted: August 11 2008 at 21:59 |
Yes Chopper, you are probably right. Perhaps it's French again. Anyway,
I would really love to know what they are singing. The restatnig of the
opening melody with vocals is one of the best things they've recorded
so far, and I want to completey understand it.
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Posted: August 11 2008 at 22:35 |
Of course I know what the lyrics mean. The trouble is, it's my version and I would have quite a bit of trouble explaining it to you.
The wonderful thing about Jon Anderson's lyrics is very simple and so often overlooked. The words are not cast in stone and as a result they can grab your imagination and take you off in thought somewhere. The next time you listen you find yourself off to some other place in your mind. Brilliant!!
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Posted: August 12 2008 at 04:54 |
Close to the Edge is based on Herman Hesse's Siddhartha, a book about a man trying to find enlightenment.
I'm curious as to weather there is any meaning behind Siberian Khatru. I have a feeling it's random, but there's a reason Jon chose those words. Unless it's stream of conciousnes or something like that... which would perhaps lend itself to a psychological analysis? I don't know if any of that's been done for some of the more famous stream works though.
Edited by Kestrel - August 12 2008 at 04:55
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