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    Posted: July 23 2008 at 17:04
Ok I find this on my research on the Byrds. The Beatles could have invented both Country and Folk Rock?
 
Beatles fanatics claim that the Fab Four invented pretty much every recent style of popular music from folk-rock to psychedelic to heavy metal. When it comes to country rock (another claimed Beatles innovation) they might have something of a point. Steve Earle called Beatles For Sale the “hillbilly Beatles record.” It's no question that The Beatles were fans of country music and incorporated some country sounds into their music. Their record contract apparently included a provision calling for them to receive advance copies of all Buck Owens’ releases. You can hear some Beatles' twang in this track from the Hard Day’s Night soundtrack:

 The Beatles – I’ll Cry Instead (mp3) (buy album) (1964).

More twangy Beatles' songs from 1964-1966 include I’m A Loser, Baby’s In Black, Honey Don’t (Carl Perkins cover), I Don’t Want To Spoil The Party, Everybody’s Trying To Be My Baby (Rex Griffin cover), Act Naturally (Buck Owens cover), I’ve Just Seen a Face, Run For Your Life, and What Goes On.
 
 
 I started recognizing that the Beatles were using a lot of folk music chord changes. I thought, `Well, what if I experiment with some of these folk songs that I know.' So, I actually put folk and rock together in New York, before I came out to L.A. and the Byrds formed." .  The Byrds Roger McGuinn
 
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The only Beatles songs I can think of off the top of my head that I can really notice a country influence are What Goes On, Don't Pass Me By, and Octopus's Garden (which were either cowritten or written by Ringo).  As far as I'm aware, Ringo was the only Beatle that really like country music, and since he wrote (according to a Beatles book I own) 2.7 Beatles songs, I don't think there was a whole lot of country going on.  Or at least they didn't do much more than delve into it.

I have heard some people refer to Michael Nesmith (one of whose albums, incidently, is my avatar) as the "father of country rock."  He released a series of country rock albums in the early 70's, I believe around the same time that artists like Neil Young, Bob Dylan, and the Flying Burrito Brothers were releasing similar music.  He also wrote several country influenced songs for the Monkees, recorded as far back as 1966.
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Points: 6673 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 26 2008 at 22:25
Well Bungalow Bill has a little twangy style, Rocky Raccoon also. Piggies is very English folk .
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always laid that on distinction on the Byrds.. in particular the memorizing album Sweethearts of the Rodeo. I know some think that album is vastly overrated... personally... I think they are full of it. 
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

always laid that on distinction on the Byrds.. in particular the memorizing album Sweethearts of the Rodeo. I know some think that album is vastly overrated... personally... I think they are full of it. 
 
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That Sweethearts is one sweet album.  Which of course then led to the Flying Burrito Brothers.  Buffalo Springfield also had a strong country/folk aspect to them.  Yep, The Beatles covered some Buck Owens, but let's not forget that Buck his very own self was a frequent visitor to the Rock Top 40 during the time (Tiger By the Tail, My Heart Skips a Beat). 
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^ I haven't listened to the FBB in ages...  need to do some brushing up when I get back to mothership.

couldn't agree more on Buffalo Springfield as well...  they did have a strong country/folk vibe to them as well.
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

^ I haven't listened to the FBB in ages...  need to do some brushing up when I get back to mothership.

couldn't agree more on Buffalo Springfield as well...  they did have a strong country/folk vibe to them as well.
 
You won't want to miss FBB's cover of To Love Somebody LOL
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Ok I find this on my research on the Byrds. The Beatles could have invented both Country and Folk Rock?
 
 
I think there's some revisionist history-writing here - Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins and Elvis all predate the Beatles country/folk rock sound, and acts like the Mugwumps, Buddy Holly and Eddie Cochran meld country, folk and rock and predate the British invasion as well.
 
 
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Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

I think there's some revisionist history-writing here - Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins and Elvis all predate the Beatles country/folk rock sound
 


oh hell yeah, the Beatles wished they were any one of those guys
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Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

Originally posted by ClemofNazareth ClemofNazareth wrote:

I think there's some revisionist history-writing here - Jerry Lee Lewis, Carl Perkins and Elvis all predate the Beatles country/folk rock sound
 


oh hell yeah, the Beatles wished they were any one of those guys


I think it's safe to say they were in awe of those guys, as well as Roy Orbison.  Wasn't he the opening act on one of their tours?
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I always thought Bob Dylan pioneered what properly is Folk Rock with Blowin' in the Wind 1962 (Appeared in The Freewheelin (1963)), when he turned Folk into electric, if I'm not wrong, this is a year before A Hard Days Night..
 
Yes, Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis gave the first steps, but I believe that the one that really blended both genres in a definitive way was Dylan.
 
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Originally posted by jammun jammun wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

^ I haven't listened to the FBB in ages...  need to do some brushing up when I get back to mothership.

couldn't agree more on Buffalo Springfield as well...  they did have a strong country/folk vibe to them as well.
 
You won't want to miss FBB's cover of To Love Somebody LOL


*makes mental note to remember to check that out hahhaa*
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Originally posted by Coldplay2002 Coldplay2002 wrote:

Ok I find this on my research on the Byrds. The Beatles could have invented both Country and Folk Rock?
 
 
No. Country like Folk are traditional genres BEFORE the Beatles and Co. took over, for example Peter Seeger and Woody Guthrie. And of Course Bob Dylan.
 
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When you think about it Bringing It All Back Home (Bob Dylan, 1965) is the first country/folk/rap rock album.
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Points: 20030 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 21 2008 at 07:39

Speaking as a Beatles fanatic, I've never heard anyone claim that they 'invented' folk-rock or country-rock. A lot of the people mentioned (Carl Perkins etc) were influences and they helped to "spread the word" if you like due to their world-wide popularity, but they didn't invent it.
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Points: 3449 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 22 2008 at 23:04

Exactly, when they were covering a Buck Owens tune they were popularizing, not pioneering.  Buck did the pioneering.
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In terms of Folk Rock it was the Beatles folk like chord changes that influenced Roger McGuinn to go into the Folk Rock route. So I give this one to the Beatles. Remember the Beatles started out as a skiffle group so folk music was in their roots. Bob Dylan also went electric partly because of the Beatles and "Blowin in the Wind" is just plain folk music there is no rock in it at all.

 

As for Country Rock the Beatles were doing it before the Birds its noticeable on tracks like 1964 " I Don't Want to Spoil The Party"  and in 1965 Buck Owens cover of "Act Naturally" and "I've Just Seen a Face" all predate the Band and Byrd’s.

 

Elvis, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis are 50's rock and roll with a country influence. So I think that is the difference between Rockabilly and plain Country Rock. Buck Owens was plain country.  I think the Beatles on tracks like "I Don't Want to Spoil the Party" and What Goes On" were a hybrid of Country, Rock and Pop music.

 

I'M a Loser is certainly in IMO is mixing folk and country music with a rock backbeat which actually pre-dates Dylan going electric. I wonder if Dylan was influenced by this to be honest.

 
 
So it's a yes to Folk Rock
Very debatable for Country Rock
 
Whatever the Beatles had a big influence on the major players like the Byrds, Dylan and Buffalo Springfield.

 



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 I don't know who invented what and I don't know if thats the question here?. I know the Beatles started out as a skiffle group and that is folk influenced. The Beatles were using folk influences as early on the album A Hard Days Night.. The Byrds openly admit to this and the use of 12 string Rickenbocker sound is why they went electric. You can obviously hear country rock on "I Don't Want to Spoil The Party" and both folk and country on "I'm the Loser.
 
The Beatles paved the way for the Byrds who went on to be the greatest folk rock and jangle pop act but the Beatles started the ball rolling.  Dylan certainly influenced the Beatles and you can hear it as early as "I Should Have Known Better" which is one of the Beatles songs that influenced Roger McGuinn.  Then Dylan went on to say the Beatles were leading the pack in music.  So they all had a impact on each other.
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Points: 1250 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 18 2008 at 10:50
I heared that actualy barouque music with composers like Bach, Albinony, Vivaldi and Corely was also invented by the beatles.
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