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el böthy
Prog Reviewer Joined: April 27 2005 Location: Argentina Status: Offline Points: 6336 |
Topic: Is this prog? Posted: July 29 2008 at 13:06 |
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Yes... hey who are those 4 horsemen ridding in the skys? |
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Certif1ed
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Posted: July 25 2008 at 02:28 | ||||||||||
It's the old "progressive" vs "Prog" thing.
Prog, in the sense of progressive music in the original sense is inherently progressive - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=49384
Music that is progressive is different, and includes any music that does something interesting. Yes, that's a vague description, but it's the contrast that's important rather than the definition.
So a good comparison would be between the album in question (which I don't know) and something which is conclusively Prog, like "In the Court of the Crimson King".
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CCVP
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
Posted: July 24 2008 at 22:39 | ||||||||||
the internet has endless possibilities. If you liked it i can send it to you. |
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mrcozdude
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 25 2007 Location: Devon,UK. Status: Offline Points: 2078 |
Posted: July 24 2008 at 22:12 | ||||||||||
Im sorry but i love that mars volta pic,i kept trying to read everything seriously but that had been in the corner of my eye the whole time! |
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Kotro
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Posted: July 24 2008 at 14:11 | ||||||||||
Although I do think it's far from their finest hour, it's cleary an Art-Rock album. Draw your own conclusions from that.
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Bigger on the inside.
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ziggystardust360
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Posted: July 24 2008 at 12:32 | ||||||||||
No,you're right there normal music isn't prog,but this album is very progressive.
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darksideof
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Posted: July 24 2008 at 12:06 | ||||||||||
One of the Most HATED by me! pure ......crap!!! ! Edited by darksideof - July 24 2008 at 12:07 |
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ziggystardust360
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Posted: July 24 2008 at 10:16 | ||||||||||
I am in no way saying they deserve being in the prog archives.I just wanted to know if this excellent album was prog or not.
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''I always had the repulsive need to be something other than human''-David Bowie
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dude
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 30 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 1338 |
Posted: July 24 2008 at 10:12 | ||||||||||
IS THIS PROG?.......a question often asked in these forums when dealing with isolated tracks or albums from artists otherwise not know for their progressive output.
One of my first ever postings way back in the early days of this site was about Whether "Fly Like An Eagle" by the Steve Miller band could be regarded as progressive rock,the general consensus was that this track was an attempt at a dabbling with the progressive rock style or sound. certainly something that many non progressive bands did do in the days when the prog rock sound had greater influence.
I was never a fan of Kiss,but this album intrigues me,it sounds like it might have been one of those daliences,i'm keen to hear it
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Blacksword
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 22 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 16130 |
Posted: July 24 2008 at 08:31 | ||||||||||
Kiss are a fun band. They were never to be taken seriously. I think by the time they made 'The Elder' they were seeking to explore something new. They had probably got tired of playing the same four chords for ten years, and singing about 'chicks' all the time. It probably took the Elder to make them realise that their strength lay in simple rock 'n' roll, not art rock.
I listened to them quite a lot up until the age of about 14. They kept me amused for a few years, and I still quite like selected albums, notably Destroyer and Dynasty. In small doses. The Ace Frehley solo album isn't too bad either. |
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Zargus
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Posted: July 24 2008 at 06:30 | ||||||||||
From what i have heard thats suposed to be the worst album they made. I cant even begin to imagine how bad it must be, when i think thiere good albums stinks...
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Garion81
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Posted: July 24 2008 at 01:59 | ||||||||||
The only music of Kiss I would ever listen to was Anamalize which contained the great guitar playing of Mark St John aka Mark Norton a guy I grew up with who died last year. Anything else produced by this worthless band ahh I am not going to say anymore
flame away
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Petrovsk Mizinski
Prog Reviewer Joined: December 24 2007 Location: Ukraine Status: Offline Points: 25210 |
Posted: July 24 2008 at 01:53 | ||||||||||
Pretty much. |
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: July 24 2008 at 01:49 | ||||||||||
Sorry, I believe their normal music with an extra dose of pretentiousness.
Not remotely Prog IMHO.
Iván
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AtomicCrimsonRush
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Posted: July 24 2008 at 01:27 | ||||||||||
I love the album and think its their most interesting as well as Destroyer. Its definitely a concept album and seems to have been written about a non existent film called The Elder. However Kiss are not prog at all and hate bands like Emerson Lake and Palmer. Paul said on Kiss Exposed "You listen to Emerson Lake and Palmer, not me." Gene said, "I feel like shooting that thing, shut up! Give me a straight A chord that cracks your ribs rather than all that noodling."
It is a much maligned album, Kiss fans hate it, but I actually enjoy it. I think it has aspects of prog for sure, including dialogue and strings, and time sig changes on "Under the Rose'. 'Just a Boy' is prog sounding too, as well as Dark Light, and A World Without Heroes..
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CCVP
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 15 2007 Location: Vitória, Brasil Status: Offline Points: 7971 |
Posted: July 23 2008 at 23:26 | ||||||||||
yeah, every band / artist is somehow progressive / innovative during their career, even if they are not prog neither intended to be. |
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The T
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Posted: July 23 2008 at 23:24 | ||||||||||
Finally, Kiss has been brought into discussion in PA... i knew this day would come...
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: July 23 2008 at 23:04 | ||||||||||
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CCVP
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Posted: July 23 2008 at 23:02 | ||||||||||
seriously, this is the first time i have ever seen someone classify Kiss as somewhat prog. I am not trying to trash the band or anything, but they mostly did pure hard rock, they only cared to make some noise.
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Logan
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Posted: July 23 2008 at 21:40 | ||||||||||
Others have thought so:
I have heard this concept album, but so many years ago. I expect that it was influenced by prog, but is not truly prog. From http://www.musicstreetjournal.com/elder.html
Above taken from http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/kiss/music_from_the_elder/ Edited by Logan - July 23 2008 at 21:42 |
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