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The Miracle
Prog Reviewer Joined: May 29 2005 Location: hell Status: Offline Points: 28427 |
Posted: July 12 2008 at 01:36 |
I figured recently that it's the mind set that defines prog for me... I was wondeing over the fact how artists like say, Magma, Meshuggah, Dredg and Tangerine Dream are all prog while they barely have anything in common, so I realized that true "prog" in its most direct definition is the good old classic symohonic stuff, all prog beyod that is a genre defined by the attitude an artust has towards his music than the actual music itself.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: July 12 2008 at 01:52 |
I believe that despite some guidelines, logic defines Prog.
I found that if we are sure soimething is Prog and there's a certain degree of agreement ....In most cases is Prog
But if we have doubts, there's huge debates and contradictory statements.....Normaly is not Prog.
So leave out the fanaticism for a certain band and trust in your instincts, if you doubt, it isn't.
Iván
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MikeEnRegalia
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21206 |
Posted: July 12 2008 at 02:04 |
what if I doubt and you don't - or vice versa? When there are huge discussions then usually many people think one way, and many others disagree.
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Chris S
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Posted: July 12 2008 at 07:44 |
Instinctive knowlege that an artist provides evidence of "creative freedom" within an album. By it's very nature this "creative freedom", simply put, is progressive.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 27 2004 Location: Peru Status: Offline Points: 19535 |
Posted: July 12 2008 at 12:45 |
Mike, this almost never happens, even the defenders of a doubtful addition, normally accept a band is not really Prog, then they use other excuses to justify it's inclusion:
Mike..........Check the list of doubtfukl aditions, and you will find in every case, one or more of this ten excuses or other less imaginative to justify an addition of a band everybdy knows is not Prog. So I insist, when people is not sure or this excuses are given, is not Prog in most cases.
Iván Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - July 12 2008 at 13:06 |
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areazione
Forum Groupie Joined: July 12 2008 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 47 |
Posted: July 12 2008 at 16:14 |
To me it's a very simple rule: if you can't estimate when the next beat will come or what chord will be used in the next progression, then you've got progressive music. And that makes progressive music be a very large and broad definition, as it should be by its own (again)definition. Edited by areazione - July 12 2008 at 16:15 |
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Rando
Forum Senior Member Joined: April 08 2006 Location: Bay Area Status: Offline Points: 472 |
Posted: July 17 2008 at 15:21 |
A song is a song is a song...
But "Embellishments" with possible influences from Medieval, Renaissance & Classical Symphonic form, Debussy, Stravinsky, Jazz, & Non-Western Music.
In other words...
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- Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats -
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Starette
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 14 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 502 |
Posted: July 18 2008 at 06:12 |
Highly Polished
Influenced by a higher culture than the cliched society of today
Influenced by extreme Realism
Influenced by extreme Idealism but not in a *conventional* sense persay...
Changes in the melody and/or beat
One or more unconventional instruments to have in a rock band,
...2 or more of the above :)
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50 tonne angel falls to the earth...
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Certif1ed
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 08 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 7559 |
Posted: July 18 2008 at 06:49 |
^Like Can, you mean...
Ooops!
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The important thing is not to stop questioning.
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Starette
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 14 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 502 |
Posted: July 18 2008 at 16:35 |
...what?
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50 tonne angel falls to the earth...
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