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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 23:19
Well it's a Lovecraftian name and the music matches the name very well indeed.

Just make sure the beloved understands you... I find whenever it comes to foreign bands, the family always try and find an English band/album to buy you instead. LOL  Especially as I try to make sure I pronounce names as close to the original as possible (when I know it, of course).  So Univers Zero confuses people. LOL

No worries with Donna/Melissa reference.  I glanced at your blog a while back and took it from there.

Well early UZ are closer to the Present sound, so you should like it.  Later on, they changed their sound somewhat, as did Art Zoyd.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2008 at 04:53
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Well it's a Lovecraftian name and the music matches the name very well indeed.

I'll bet somewhere, there's a list of bands and/or albums specifically inspired by writers/literature...  Could be a 'themed mini-collection' in that - I love those! Big%20smile

Just make sure the beloved understands you... I find whenever it comes to foreign bands, the family always try and find an English band/album to buy you instead. LOL  Especially as I try to make sure I pronounce names as close to the original as possible (when I know it, of course).  So Univers Zero confuses people. LOL

Haha, so my sending him a 'helpful email' with links to specific pages on the Wayside website might just do the trick then...!

No worries with Donna/Melissa reference.  I glanced at your blog a while back and took it from there.

Nice of you to drop in! Smile

Well early UZ are closer to the Present sound, so you should like it.  Later on, they changed their sound somewhat, as did Art Zoyd.

Not sure why Present seems so much more appealing.  It seems more 'mischievous' perhaps...  Can't really judge/compare of course without a proper listen to UZ... will return when able to offer an informed opinion... Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 04:12
 
slightly sentimental...If you want to  hear the soundtrack of my early 80's .... interesting compilation with good liner notes for every track and  a special mention for my hometown band 'Les Liaisons Dangereuses' & "My Spine Is The bassline " by Shriekback".....  if you like dancable postpunk you should check this one out....(if there is some interest I can upload it)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 18:35
Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

 
slightly sentimental...If you want to  hear the soundtrack of my early 80's .... interesting compilation with good liner notes for every track and  a special mention for my hometown band 'Les Liaisons Dangereuses' & "My Spine Is The bassline " by Shriekback".....  if you like dancable postpunk you should check this one out....(if there is some interest I can upload it)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Aaahhh, the good old days when experimental music had a bit of bump in the rump - I know and love about half of the tracks on that album, and they've mostly aged well. Mind you, if I was going to pick a Shriekback track it would probably be Lined Up rather than My Spine, but a fine collection nonetheless and warmly recommended to anybody who's curious and isn't afraid of the word 'disco'.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2008 at 14:16
Originally posted by Alucard Alucard wrote:

 
slightly sentimental...If you want to  hear the soundtrack of my early 80's .... interesting compilation with good liner notes for every track and  a special mention for my hometown band 'Les Liaisons Dangereuses' & "My Spine Is The bassline " by Shriekback".....  if you like dancable postpunk you should check this one out....(if there is some interest I can upload it)
 
 
Hello Alucard, how are you my friend?
This was the hey-day of my youth [as well as Chris' I think?], so much of it I've heard - used to go see James White at CBGBs all the time, adored the NY no-wave scene..Nonetheless, some stuff hear I haven't heard, so thanks for the heads up!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2008 at 14:23
BTW, have any of you heard Arbete och Fritid [Arbete and Fritid] ? I'm listening to the 1st now and I'm really digging it! I don't really hear folk at all myself, just very interesting, beautiful music - much more complex than folk... Aaanyway, If your interested it comes highly recommended [the 1st I've heard anyway..] -  they're also on the NWW list fyi:
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2008 at 14:24
Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Donna, how familiar with Univers Zero are you?  I would definitely try and find either Heresie or Ceux du Dehors, if you have not already.

Also check out Shub-Niggurath, if you can find their CDs.


(Hehe, I should be less confusing about names... it's really Melissa.  You can call me Donna if you like though.  But I draw the line at Donald... Tongue LOL)

UZ is totally on my list.  I wasn't that immediately grabbed by the snippets I heard, but it's not necessarily an 'instant love' kind of thing, by all accounts.  I'm having a birthday in a couple of weeks... (Cry - going to be old!  Well, slightly 'less young'...) - all being well there might be some musical pressies (Strong Hints were dropped!), possibly including Univers Zero... we'll just have to see how far my nearest and dearest wants to encourage my 'weird taste in music'... LOL

I'm sure I'll get round to Shub Niggurath at some point.  That is one evil-sounding name, by the way!!


Donald lol.
That clears up the confusion about your name at leastTongue
All ze Univers Zero hype, I'm going to have to listen to them soon I guess.

This thread is odd, James hasn't posted in it for a few days, which means it isn't Reeeeeo enough.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2008 at 15:18
Just coming back to the whole mutant disco thing again - it's interesting that this posting met with such a positive response; I think there would have been a very different reaction if it had been posted elsewhere on the site (not wholly negative, necessarily, but much more mixed). Anyway, I think that this is also indicative of the way that RIO/Avant musicians were quick to engage with punk,funk, dub and disco (and later with hip hop, turntablism, sampling and plunderphonics) in a way that their more mainstream contemporaries failed to do.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:35
Originally posted by Syzygy Syzygy wrote:

Just coming back to the whole mutant disco thing again - it's interesting that this posting met with such a positive response; I think there would have been a very different reaction if it had been posted elsewhere on the site (not wholly negative, necessarily, but much more mixed). Anyway, I think that this is also indicative of the way that RIO/Avant musicians were quick to engage with punk,funk, dub and disco (and later with hip hop, turntablism, sampling and plunderphonics) in a way that their more mainstream contemporaries failed to do.
 
Very well said, as usual Chris. :) I read this on the Tuxedomoon list, and thought it rather apropos:
 
">   The term postpunk loosely designates a lot of
> music, most of which was described at the time as
> punk or new wave. Generally, it has the edge and
> aggression of punk, and grew out of the general DIY
> spirit of the age, but is more complex or
> experimental and bears the stamp of an avant garde
> or progressive influence.

Post-punk, as Neil observes, was a media label
designed to umbrella many different and competing
musical styles under a convenient rubric that situated
its historical position as happening after/because of
punk. Like all labels, it's lazy and often misapplied,
again as Neil notes, to the likes of Pere Ubu,
Residents etc. whose early work predates punk.

As a movement, punk was bound to flare briefly and
then die. Living the lifestyle for any length of time
was a pretty unpleasant experience for all but the
real die-hard nihilists or masochists. Once it began
to catch on, the temptation to become assimilated into
the machine was often, perhaps usually, too great.
And, once 'punks' began to make 'music', some became
proficient on their instruments and began to make
music outside of punk's limitations. The synthesizer,
new thing on the block, was a lot easier to master
than the guitar and opened up a more experimental,
less commercial approach in keeping with a
'punk'/DIY/self-sufficient ethos. Some bands used
synths to complement their guitars, others threw away
their guitars and began to learn sound engineering.

Several luminaries of the period went through art
school and took art/film culture into their music
(Almond & Ball met at Leeds University and Foxx has
been a professional graphic designer since Ultravox!
days). Some were influenced by prog or European music
(Magazine's inspired noodling, Lydon's constant
namedropping of Can in his PIL days, OMD's Andy
McCluskey urging fans to buy Kraftwerk and Neu!), or
worked with musician/producers like Howlett, Hillage,
Bill Nelson etc. Some were aiming for Greater Things
or Weirder Things - Billy Idol's rock career; bandmate
Tony James' leap/plunge from Generation X to
much-vilified glampunks Sigue Sigue Sputnik.

As Tyrell tells Roy Batty in Blade Runner, "the light
that burns twice as brightly burns half as long". Punk
opened the door to a new way of making music and,
despite its own inbuilt termination date, a new way of
relating to music that simplified and demystified it.
Punk was a stepping-stone for many and varied reasons,
but a stepping-stone nonetheless; a short-lived
conduit to getting noticed that was generally
discarded once the job was done.

I'd agree that the term itself is just another label -
it would be hard to argue that the Sex Pistols
embodied the tabloid-enraging 'f**k you' attitude
better than almost anyone, yet their sound smacks more
of metal/heavy rock than, say, the thin scratchy
guitars of The Adverts or The Lurkers or a million
others. But whatever punk was, as Alain says, it
liberated a lot of us in a way that makes it
impossible to forget and, probably, impossible to
recapture.

Best,
JC
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 24 2008 at 17:49
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Originally posted by James James wrote:

Donna, how familiar with Univers Zero are you?  I would definitely try and find either Heresie or Ceux du Dehors, if you have not already.

Also check out Shub-Niggurath, if you can find their CDs.


(Hehe, I should be less confusing about names... it's really Melissa.  You can call me Donna if you like though.  But I draw the line at Donald... Tongue LOL)

UZ is totally on my list.  I wasn't that immediately grabbed by the snippets I heard, but it's not necessarily an 'instant love' kind of thing, by all accounts.  I'm having a birthday in a couple of weeks... (Cry - going to be old!  Well, slightly 'less young'...) - all being well there might be some musical pressies (Strong Hints were dropped!), possibly including Univers Zero... we'll just have to see how far my nearest and dearest wants to encourage my 'weird taste in music'... LOL

I'm sure I'll get round to Shub Niggurath at some point.  That is one evil-sounding name, by the way!!


Donald lol.
That clears up the confusion about your name at leastTongue
All ze Univers Zero hype, I'm going to have to listen to them soon I guess.

This thread is odd, James hasn't posted in it for a few days, which means it isn't Reeeeeo enough.


Harry, we're not in the SR now, so speak proper. Wink

Melissa,

I hope the nearest and dearest buy you what you require.  I have asked my family to buy CDs for me before but they rarely do.  Partly because I do not tell them what I want and secondly because I have a lot of CDs on my "To Buy" list that are very hard to find.

I prefer buying them for myself anyhow. LOL

Martin, I'll have to look into post-punk more.  The "dance" and "disco" elements do kind of put me off but I maybe pleasantly surprised.  The only disco I like is tongue-in-cheek works by avant-prog bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 03:12
I kind of thought (hoped) that Claire & Chris would catch the bait Wink
...and yes it was a great period......the freshness and uncomplicated side of the music ... the 'everything goes' character...a lot of the post punk bands are progressive in terms of experimentation....and the clubby dancing side.... I remermber a great Rip Rig And Panic concert with Neneh Cherry  in an old factory....also the  only time I played in a band..(tons of noise are still waiting to be released one dayBig%20smile)
 
 
 
BTW a good read about this period is a book by Simon Reynolds that Chris recommended me...
 


Edited by Alucard - June 25 2008 at 03:16
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 14:34
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Melissa,

I hope the nearest and dearest buy you what you require.  I have asked my family to buy CDs for me before but they rarely do.  Partly because I do not tell them what I want and secondly because I have a lot of CDs on my "To Buy" list that are very hard to find.

I prefer buying them for myself anyhow. LOL

I think it should work out ok - but then I did make a pretty clear list! Tongue  (Also, it only contained readily available things.  With scarce stuff, I agree, it's more fun to buy it yourself!)

Apparently, two packages have arrived, so I'm quite intrigued now... Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 16:23
Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Hello all!

I *finally* received my double-CD of Present 'Triskaidekaphobie'/'Le Poison Qui Rend Fou'


I just ordered this for $5!  Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 16:55
Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Hello all!

I *finally* received my double-CD of Present 'Triskaidekaphobie'/'Le Poison Qui Rend Fou'


I just ordered this for $5!  Tongue

Phew, at that price, it hardly matters whether you like it or not! Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 17:24
Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by song_of_copper song_of_copper wrote:

Hello all!

I *finally* received my double-CD of Present 'Triskaidekaphobie'/'Le Poison Qui Rend Fou'


I just ordered this for $5!  Tongue

Phew, at that price, it hardly matters whether you like it or not! Wink


Exactly.  Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 18:26
That's not fair... I think I got it for less than $10 but after postage and all that, it's a wee bit more expensive.  I think I got my copy from Wayside.

Mel, you'll love it.  I hope you do anyhow!

Pat, I don't know if you will or not.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 20:05
Originally posted by James James wrote:

That's not fair... I think I got it for less than $10 but after postage and all that, it's a wee bit more expensive.  I think I got my copy from Wayside.

Mel, you'll love it.  I hope you do anyhow!

Pat, I don't know if you will or not.


Me neither, but I need to test the French avant waters.  Wink

Even though the band is Belgian.  Embarrassed


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 20:38
Well if you like avant chamber music, then you may appreciate it.

Just make sure you let me know your thoughts. Wink

I also look forward hearing M's thoughts, especially as she already enjoys Daniel Denis' Present.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 25 2008 at 22:03
Hey! I saw this thread a while back, wanted to post, but wasn't too familiar with RIO back then (and had my previous account), so I never did. I actually forgot about it until recently, so I thought I'd drop in.

I mainly became familiar to prog through Symphonic and Heavy, but especially as of lately I've been digging alot more RIO/Avant and Zeuhl stuff.

My favorite RIO/Avant artists:
Zappa (well, if you can call him that)
Samla Mammas Manna
Beefheart
Univers Zero
Residents
Henry Cow
etc.

My favorite of the actual RIO original 5 though is SMM.

I'm currently going to check into Present as well (well, hopefully soon); do you guys have any other recommendations that may be a bit more obscure/unknown than those I mentioned but that I'd like? I'm open to pretty much anything.


Edit: Oops, didn't realize a typo until after I re-checked this thread.


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AKSAK MABOUL.

One of my favorites. 

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