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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 07:37 |
Scrumps are windfalls - whithered fallen apples with no re-sale value to the fruit-farmer that poor-folk, serfs, plebeians and peasants were allowed to collect from the orchards to feed to their pigs (the act of scrumping). (Obviously, some 'good' apples may have 'accidentally' fallen from the tree into their pockets in the process). On discovering that these bruised and mouldy apples would naturally ferment, more were used to make alcoholic apple juice (or Scrumpy) than feed to piggies.
Now of course when we went scrumping as kids it was not for making scrumpy or cider from the windfalls, we weren't interested in those because they were rotten, half-eaten and covered in wasps (US: yellow-jackets) - so would surreptitiously pick the good ones from the tree and gorge ourselves on those - then complain to Mum of having belly ache from eating too many unripe ones.
what's worse then finding a maggot in an apple?
...finding half of one.
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T.Rox
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 06 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 07:41 |
But you can be sure the meat is fresh!
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
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Raff
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24429 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 07:59 |
That wonderful post by Jim reminded me of something a former classmate of mine once sent us by email - especially the bit about being out playing all day, and being able to live perfectly well without having cellphones at our disposal. However, there was just one bit of it I didn't like - the one about mum not having to work to make ends meet. Not every woman would be happy to stay at home and work without getting a penny for what she does, having to ask money from her husband if she wants to buy anything for herself - especially if she has invested time, energy and financial resources in getting an education. Personally, I think it would be great if both sexes were free from the need to work, not just women.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 08:00 |
Yep. And vice-versa when Jim's around
Welcome Coops, good to see you.
Sony have back-tracked on the mp3 issue, perhaps they'll release firmware upgrades sometime so you can play mp3 without converting them, but I wouldn't recommend holding your breath...
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T.Rox
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 06 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 08:16 |
I'm going to call work's IT help desk tomorrow and see if I can get a one-off grant to load some non-core software ... but I won't hold my breath for that either! Edited by T.Rox - June 21 2008 at 08:17 |
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"Without prog, life would be a mistake."
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 08:38 |
I agree,
But it wasn't quite like Jim's post described it in the 60s and 70s - my Mum had to work because money was tight and two children at Grammar school (uniforms, school trips, books, etc.) - cost money we didn't have - not that my sister and I appreciated that at the time, but also because she needed to (as she put it) "get out of the house".
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Jared
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19327 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:05 |
^^interesting you say that, Dean...my mum HAD to become a registered child minder to make ends meet when she had 2 children at Grammar School, and return to teaching when she had 4 children at Grammar School...
in fact, our uniforms were so expensive, that before I started, my parents attended a parents open day, where they were able to buy a 2nd hand girls blazer for me, and mum took it home to swap the buttons over from one side to the other...
they also couldn't afford a briefcase for me, so they initally bought me a flimsy black case for holding cassettes in, which lasted all of a term, and was the cause of some rather nasty bullying and ridicule () before they eventually caved in and bought me a leather effect brown Gladstone bag for Xmas...
of course, I'd have preferred a train set, but at least it reduced the number of 'dead legs' received in January...and I do seem to remember how it was much worse for the kids whose parents hadn't bought them the right games kit..communal showers can be unforgiving places.... Edited by fandango - June 21 2008 at 10:07 |
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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T.Rox
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 06 2004 Location: Australia Status: Offline Points: 9455 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:14 |
Jim's post does bring back memories... Digging holes in the ground in the bush miles from home and cover it with bits of old corrugated iron and tree branches to build our underground cubby houses and luckily the sides never caved in ... playing World War II games with guns fashioned from whatever was available and climbing onto and jumping off the roof of the house (single story of course) as we tried to evaded each other ... playing soccer out the front of our houses and losing yet another ball under a bus ... playing cricket out the front and putting the ball through the neighbour's window (it is amazing how quickly it can go from about 10 of us playing cricket to just me standing there with the cricket bat in my hand) ... playing hide and seek until to was way past bedtime using the front yards of just about the whole street as the limits of where you could hide ... and sitting with my mates in one bedroom or another singing along to Beatles tunes crackling out out our "hi-fi" gramophones (and that was just about the only time any of us were in the house as kids) ... and if someone upset me or called me names or whatever I either did it right back or bopped them on the nose and had a bit of a scrap knowing that one of us would have deserved the outcome ... and we feared the police (in the best possible way) because we knew they would give us a clip around the ear if they caught us stepping out of line! And my kids marvel at the fact that I left home when I was 20 and didn't have a TV for the first couple of years after. They think there must have been nothing to do ... but I know I got to actually sit and listen to music much more thoroughly and read a lot more books then than I ever have since getting an idiot box. Is this were I say, "Ah, those were the days!" Edited by T.Rox - June 21 2008 at 10:17 |
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T.Rox
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:16 |
oh, and everything was fried or deep fried in lard, especially the chips that Mum cooked and served to us wrapped in newspaper with the ink running from the grease!
Edited by T.Rox - June 21 2008 at 10:19 |
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:59 |
The irony being that school uniform was supposed to be the great leveller that made everyone equal so rich kids couldn't pick on us poor kids - yet our second-hand blazers and non-leather briefcases were like walking around with a huge neon sign over your head saying kick me now. However, I would like to thank one girl in our school for wearing the same school skirt from the first year through to the fifth
I use to use a 12" LP case as a briefcase - so much easier for swapping albums in the playground.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
Prog Reviewer Joined: July 04 2005 Location: Malaria Status: Offline Points: 89372 |
Posted: June 21 2008 at 11:13 |
From what I've read, the new Sony MP3 Players don't have SonicStage on them. I'm not sure if they're been released outside of Japan yet though. Plus the Robert Wyatt look is great, it doesn't need a cut. Edited by James - June 21 2008 at 11:19 |
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T.Rox
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 12:40 |
I'll have to post a mug shot to show you just how wild the old hair do is, complete with faux blonde as the legacy from a charity fundraiser where I ended up with blue hair!
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mystic fred
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 02:36 |
Some very good "qualifications" there Jim, but a few comments..
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank while they carried us and lived in houses made of asbestos.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese, raw egg products, loads of bacon and processed meat, tuna from a can, and didn't get tested for diabetes or cervical cancer. Not all mothers were like this thankfully, especially mine - in 1957 when everybody trusted the NHS and their doctors my mum was suffering from morning sickness while expecting my little sister. The doctor in all good faith offered her a new wonder drug called "Thalidomide" to relieve this. As she distrusted drug taking of any sort, especially new ones, she refused...very wise in hindsight!
As children, we would ride in cars with no seat belts or air bags.
My Dad had a Sunbeam motorbike fitted with a "chair". I remember feeling very sick travelling in this thing but we used to travel to Devon in it, and at a particularly steep hill had to get out and walk.. ..roadside picnics were a real highlight....happy days...
Take away food was limited to fish and chips, no pizza shops, McDonalds, KFC, Subway or Nandos.
we had to catch our own fish and grow our own potatoes - fast food was going to the bottom of the garden to the Chicken run to collect a few eggs!
WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!!
I hated any kind of sport of organised games, i would rather sit indoors reading comics, playing with my soldiers, building Airfix kits, studying my stamp collection or listening to my Beatle singles, sometimes a long bike ride was in order though....it was busy bein a kid!
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of old prams and then ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. We built tree houses and dens and played in river beds with matchbox cars.
We called them "Trolleys", built from a plank of wood and pram wheels this home made death trap would be a highlight of the summer holidays, i often was found at the bottom of the hill trying to extricate myself from the wreckage! I had a collection of Corgi model cars (Dinky were so passe...) which i kept in pristine condition until, regretfully, i sold them to a collector. We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there were no lawsuits from these accidents
there was nothing a bit of cotton wool and iodine wouldn't fix, they wouldn't dream of calling an Ambulance...still have all the scars of a happy childhood!
You could only buy Easter Eggs and Hot Cross Buns at Easter time...
...and Christmas started in December !
We were given air guns and catapults for our 10th birthdays,
I was a dead shot with a "catty" - it was war!! At 10 fishing was a peaceful way to spend a sunny afternoon, pointless when you think of it now but so was pulling daddy-long-legs' legs off !
Mum didn't have to go to work to help dad make ends meet!
oh yes they did - part time such as as dinner supervisors, the co-op or on crossing patrols.
Our teachers used to hit us with canes and gym shoes and bully's always ruled the playground at school.
There were bullies inside the classroom as well as outside in the playground - caning made good boys nervous wrecks and bad boys worse - eventually they ended this barbaric practice.
Our parents didn't invent stupid names for their kids like 'Kiora' and 'Blade' and 'Ridge' and 'Vanilla'
no, we had stupid names like George, Bill, Stuart and Leslie!!
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
No councellors in those days, you had to sort out your s**t on your own!
Edited by mystic fred - June 22 2008 at 02:41 |
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Man Erg
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: August 26 2004 Location: Isle of Lucy Status: Offline Points: 7456 |
Posted: June 22 2008 at 02:46 |
A wonderful Grey Day- Saturday 21st June 2008
I survived my open-razor shave at Geo. F. Trumpers without being made into a pie! Now I'm hooked on having a 'proper' shave on a regular basis and would highly recommend it to those un-bearded chaps around here. http://www.trumpers.com/ Here's how it went. After booking-in,a chap escorted me into the inner-sanctum.All wood-panelled and velvet curtained cubicles. The aforementioned chap then asked me if I would like tea or coffee.I plumped for a cup of Assam tea.He brought me a cup of said tea and three bisuits. I was then shown to my chair by the lady who was to shave me.She has been shaving people for 30 years and is one of the heirs to the Trumper 'empire'. First of all she put a pre-shave balm on my face then applied a hot towel.Lovely She then applied the shaving cream and started the shave,not before she said that I'd probably like to close my eyes as a lot of people baulk at the sight of the open razor...Gulp! The shave was a wonderful feeling.Extremely relaxing.Not at all what I'd expected. She finished off the shave with a safety razor. After the shave she applied a styptic,alum block...Ouch.That smarts! Then she applied a cold towel for about a minute and finally she slapped onto my face a generous helping of essence of limes after shave. That done I was escorted back to the waiting room and was asked if I would like either a glass of whiskey or a glass of cognac. I had the whiskey with a drop of water. It really was a wonderful experience,on par with a massage. We (Evelyn and I) then went onto Fortnum and Mason and stocked up on Gentleman's and Poacher's relish.Huzzah!!! Edited by Man Erg - June 22 2008 at 02:54 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 03:03 |
sounds marvelous.. sadly, I suspect in the states there's a law against barbers serving liquor, and possibly tea as well
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Man Erg
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 03:09 |
I was suprised too,David.Being offered liquor before 11am! What's this country coming too?They've probably being doing this for more than 100 years.No wonder the aristocracy (Trumpers is their barber of choice,doncha know) have gnarled noses. Edited by Man Erg - June 22 2008 at 03:10 |
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Atavachron
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 03:20 |
just saw a story about the artist in England who went blind later in life and kept painting.. his work is incredible
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mystic fred
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:19 |
sounds like an amazing experience, Lee, much more civilised than my usual morning scrape'n'sting self-torture session - i might partake the services of messrs. Trumper myself, though how much beer money do they charge....?
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mystic fred
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:24 |
what is his name, David?
i can recall a German composer who went deaf in later life and continued composing and conducting....also incredible.
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Jared
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 06 2005 Location: Hereford, UK Status: Offline Points: 19327 |
Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:47 |
and Lee, that sounds like a thoroughly civilised way to spend a morning...although I personally would have gone for another Tea, rather than the whisky...
...which would enhanced their profit margins somewhat...
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Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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