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Harry Hood
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Posted: July 02 2008 at 04:53 |
The Johnson Treatment are going to turn the prog world upside down with their debut album.
You may not know that name now, someday you'll all know them as the band that changed prog forever.
Edited by Harry Hood - July 02 2008 at 04:55
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Petrovsk Mizinski
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Posted: July 02 2008 at 02:53 |
Didn't see this earlier, figured I might chime in now.
Regarding the above post, indeed it is in fact widely acknowledged that
Death, lead by the legendary Chuck Schuldiner, were the prime
originators of Progressive death metal and indeed probably the first
death metal (history says they weren't the first one the scene with a
death metal recording, but they apparently doing death metal before
Possessed, but don't take what I'm saying for gospel, I could be wrong.
Human was released in 1991, and the Spiritual Healing released the year
before contained a strong progressive vibe, although not quite
progressive death metal yet.
Opeth originally formed as a straight death metal band in 1990, and
weren't doing prog death until '93, so Death certainly beat them to the
progressive death table, but I don't deny the originality of Opeth
either, as they have been one of the most important metal bands in the
last 15 years.
Petrucci, his lead work is not innovative as such, I see Petrucci's
innovation and originality lying in the way he changed the way many
heavy metal guitarists looked at technical rhythm outside a death metal
and related genre context.
That said, I still love his lead playing, especially his guitar work on Train Of Thought.
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The Pessimist
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Posted: June 30 2008 at 13:53 |
schizoid_man77 wrote:
kibble_alex wrote:
Oh i can name a few... Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, Mikael Akerfeldt, Neal Morse, Roine Stolt, John Petrucci, Steven Wilson (sorry), Danny Carey (he's a drummer, but he IS most of the brains behind Tool's polyrhythms and structure) |
Omar maybe, Mckael maybe. Steven is okey, but when you come down to it, Porcupine tree is just making long verse chorus verse songs, hardly innovative if you ask me. Danny Carey maybe, for bringing experimental drumming to the mainstream.
I'd say Toby Driver, and Efrim Munick. |
How would you judge an innovator? Omar is definitely one, TMV stand in a genre of their own, i don't think anyone can quite mimick them TBH, Mikeal perfectly fuses death metal with prog, please explain how that isn't innovative? Neal and Roine both write straight down great music, OK it may have all been done before, but they are genii nonetheless. They are still innovative as they have almost re-introduced the Symphonic genre all over again. John Petrucci is just a fantastically original guitarist and is the only real member of DT i can stand. He was also one of the main hands in truly enforcing Prog Metal as a genre. Steven Wilson is an innovative producer and a very creative songwriter, you can't really take that away from him can you? and Danny Carey? drumming innovator, hands down. His style is untouched.
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Relayer09
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Posted: June 28 2008 at 15:57 |
I will say Steve Wilson also. Not only is Porcupine Tree one of my favorites of newer bands but they are quickly becoming one of my favorite bands ever.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: June 28 2008 at 06:27 |
I agree with you, especially since his most innovative music is among his most recent music and came in the last five years as this thread asks. Maudlin was a unique take on metal, but Kayo Dot/Driver solo are unique takes on music
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 28 2008 at 05:55 |
Yes, that's probably the reason Pnoom!. But its like disqualifying Miles Davis, John Coltrane and Sun Ra
in a discussion about 60's jazzinnovators because they've recorded
albums in the 50's too (or Omar here, because of At the Drive In).
Anyway, I'm tempted to suggest Toby Driver myself, altough I haven't known his music for that long.
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Pnoom!
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Posted: June 28 2008 at 05:15 |
Rocktopus wrote:
sleeper wrote:
I would have said Toby Driver as well, but then I
realised that maudlin of the Well's My Fruit Psychobells is nearly 10
years old. So I'm going to say Oma Rodriugez Lopez.. |
Just out of curiosity; If you think he is, how can that album disqualify Toby Driver from being the biggest innovator of the last five years? |
Because it's old, I guess. But really, Driver's biggest innovations are with Kayo Dot and his solo album, all of which is within the past six years, so he definitely counts (and is the correct answer to this question).
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Rocktopus
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Posted: June 28 2008 at 04:55 |
sleeper wrote:
I would have said Toby Driver as well, but then I
realised that maudlin of the Well's My Fruit Psychobells is nearly 10
years old. So I'm going to say Oma Rodriugez Lopez.. |
Just out of curiosity; If you think he is, how can that album disqualify Toby Driver from being the biggest innovator of the last five years?
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Dim
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Posted: June 27 2008 at 19:39 |
kibble_alex wrote:
Oh i can name a few... Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, Mikael Akerfeldt, Neal Morse, Roine Stolt, John Petrucci, Steven Wilson (sorry), Danny Carey (he's a drummer, but he IS most of the brains behind Tool's polyrhythms and structure) |
Omar maybe, Mckael maybe. Steven is okey, but when you come down to it, Porcupine tree is just making long verse chorus verse songs, hardly innovative if you ask me. Danny Carey maybe, for bringing experimental drumming to the mainstream.
I'd say Toby Driver, and Efrim Munick.
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Posted: June 27 2008 at 18:28 |
The Red Masque sounds pretty cool, a little too metal for me but it's still pushing things forward in the world of music.
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darksideof
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Posted: June 24 2008 at 10:01 |
laplace wrote:
good question. I am going to say Toby Driver because I think Kayo Dot have been the most exciting and relevant "progressive" thing in these last years.
I hope people aren't going to be saying Steven Wilson too often, since he just makes prog out of alt.rock by making it longer and professional. ;P |
Well, I am
like someone all ready said the man is genius is what his does. producing, writing and as a lyricist. Thanks to his band The Porcupine Tree I started all over again loving " prog" in the early 90's.
we got to give to thim!
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BaldJean
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 11:08 |
The Red Masque, hands down. they brought new life to a genre that was already dead except for some of the old heroes who still continue to produce interesting stuff
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sleeper
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Posted: June 22 2008 at 10:45 |
dzx wrote:
im sticking with fripp. in these days of extreme tech metal krimson still blow away all wannabees with their harda**ed riffing and theyre in their 60s! |
And they havnt done anything for 5 years and were not likely to see another album from them until next year so I dont think they count.
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Imadofus
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 19:40 |
Of the ones I listen to, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, IMO. Thom Yorke was a big innovator in the early 2000's, but he kind of stopped since then.
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 16:47 |
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The Pessimist
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 13:53 |
Oh i can name a few... Omar Rodriguez-Lopez, Mikael Akerfeldt, Neal Morse, Roine Stolt, John Petrucci, Steven Wilson (sorry), Danny Carey (he's a drummer, but he IS most of the brains behind Tool's polyrhythms and structure)
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dzx
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 11:21 |
im sticking with fripp. in these days of extreme tech metal krimson still blow away all wannabees with their harda**ed riffing and theyre in their 60s!
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was that just an Am augmented minor 9th i heard? nice!
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ProgBagel
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 11:01 |
Omar or....Nathan Sapp! I'm going to review some Canvas Solaris.
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The Crow
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Posted: June 21 2008 at 10:20 |
Yorkie X wrote:
Laplace wrote:
good question. I am going to say Toby Driver because I think Kayo Dot have been the most exciting and relevant "progressive" thing in these last years.
I hope people aren't going to be saying Steven Wilson too often, since he just makes progout of alt.rock by making it longer and professional. ;P | Laplace I was listening to Porcupine Tree just last night and while I'm not the biggest PT fan in the world when I listened carefully to how careful Steven Wilson's mind operates through his musical arrangements and production planing the word Genius did enter my mind, the guys a Genius in his field. I`m not sure what that field is exactly kinda alternate cross over prog but it sure is a pleasure to sit back and let Steven Wilson's visions paint such atmospheric alternative/ prog ambiance. . he's great ! but hes not qualified for the question which states latest innovator in five years |
That's a good point... I'm agree, Wilson is one of the most focused and dedicated Prog minds today.
But if I have to choose... I'd say Devin Townsend. I think this guy is jsut one of the most original, brave and innovative musicians in music today. His works in prog metal, extreme metal, ambient music, punk and other genres demonstrate that this guy is just brilliant and really talented.
You can love him, or hate him, or ignore him... But if you hear "Terria", for example, you'll realise that you've heard anything like that in your life!
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