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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 06:02
AFAIAC i prefer it, yes.
progressive rock and rural tranquility don't match. true or false?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 19:01
No, Croatian prog > all
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I'm disappointed - neither of these players are avant-garde!

Al di Meola.

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haha i know. but the poll itself is avant-garde
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 19:24
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I have to side with Rocktopus on this (not on the ignorant part, thoughSmile). If we are talking about the late Sixties-early Seventies, of course British prog was the trailblazer - though other countries, like my native Italy or Germany, were very quick to take up the cue and start a vibrant prog scene of their own. The release dates of many essential prog albums from other European countries bear witness to that.  As for the following decades, with the exception of the Neo period of the early Eighties, British prog basically went into a steady decline, while the prog scene remains strong to this day in many European countries, including Italy. 


I agree with him, only putting Brazil in Italy's place.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 20:54
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

I have to side with Rocktopus on this (not on the ignorant part, thoughSmile). If we are talking about the late Sixties-early Seventies, of course British prog was the trailblazer - though other countries, like my native Italy or Germany, were very quick to take up the cue and start a vibrant prog scene of their own. The release dates of many essential prog albums from other European countries bear witness to that.  As for the following decades, with the exception of the Neo period of the early Eighties, British prog basically went into a steady decline, while the prog scene remains strong to this day in many European countries, including Italy. 


I agree with him, only putting Brazil in Italy's place.


I'll take that action.... $500 bucks on the Italian prog scene over the Brazilians... or anyone's really. Then ..and now LOL.  The Italians have a natural affinity for prog.. that no one.. not the English..  the Germans.. the Americans or the Brazilians have.  Hard point to argue... but what it is ..is common sense.  While we all were raised on pop... rock.. or whatever the hell we all listen to...  the Italians up till the dawn of prog had only a very brief flirtation with rock music of any sort before the age of prog.  While 'we' souped up rock music with classical and other influences  and it became prog... they dumbed down their classical music with rock...and gave us their unique  take on prog.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 20:58
^ I would tend to agree more or less, Italian music and art history speaks for itself and it came through in the music.. not to mention that uncompromising Italian love of quality
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 21:00
^ exactly 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 21:15
Micky, you may be right, but damn i think humility is NOT your best feature. . .


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 21:20
Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Micky, you may be right, but damn i think humility is NOT your best feature. . .




LOL Embarrassed oh no... it is...  ever see me in a Neo thread?... or a Post Rock thread?... or a Prog Metal thread that doesn't involve sh*tting on Dream Theater hahahha.  Humility is knowing when to talk.. and when to keep your mouth shut because you don't know what the hell you are talking about hahahha. Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 22:11
Lets compare cars shall we. Ok the English..................well, maybe we should not talk about them when it comes to cars. There was an old saying back in the days when I was a mechanic. "Lucas electrics leaves you in the dark" LOL
 
The German cars...............................hmmmmm, well it's true they make very good cars but I refuse to work on Volkswagons, ha ha ha
 
The Italian cars..........................flashy almost like British Prog.
 
As far as the music goes I will go with English prog. I just happen to listen to it more often. I must admit to listening to German prog more so than Italian prog. To be fair though, I have had limited exposure to Italian prog, but what I have heard I do like. It just doesn't seem to hit me as favourably as British prog does.
 
Give me an Italian sports car any day though...........Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 22:20
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Micky, you may be right, but damn i think humility is NOT your best feature. . .




LOL Embarrassed oh no... it is...  ever see me in a Neo thread?... or a Post Rock thread?... or a Prog Metal thread that doesn't involve sh*tting on Dream Theater hahahha.  Humility is knowing when to talk.. and when to keep your mouth shut because you don't know what the hell you are talking about hahahha. Wink


Don't be embarrassed, you had a point, but i think that, if Italy was supposed to have such great prog scene the market should be able to hold the bands. OK, OK, i know the great quality of the bands, but in order to have a great scene the bands should be able to make a ground, and most of that italian gold just made only 1 album, which does not show such a solid and great scene, as had in England or in Germany.

Again, i KNOW that there were solid bands, like Banco, Le Orme and PFM, but what i really meat is that, besides the scene being great, i don't think it is as great as it looks like at a first glance. A progressive rock scene is made by lasting bands with releases enough to make a ground, something that did not happened to most italian bands.

In Brazil we had a even smaller, most of which is still left below the underground, with notable exceptions like Os Mutantes and O Terço. However these few bands made a very good "underground" scene.

Anyway, Too Log; Didn't Red (TL;DR) EXPLANATION: italian scene => GREAT, but not as great as the english scene (Italy grade: 85/100 - England: 95/100)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2008 at 02:28
I drive an Alfa Romeo 159 turbo-diesel down here on the underside of the globe. It sure likes the prog I play via. CD or media player. How do I know? It tells me so, in English ,whats more . You work it out, but I think its telling me that it's all good. Right now it's really into RITUAL
Looking still the same after all these years...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2008 at 03:52
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

While we all were raised on pop... rock.. or whatever the hell we all listen to...  the Italians up till the dawn of prog had only a very brief flirtation with rock music of any sort before the age of prog.  While 'we' souped up rock music with classical and other influences  and it became prog... they dumbed down their classical music with rock...and gave us their unique  take on prog.


The Italians dumbed down their classical music with rock...? This doesn't sound too good on the Italians or on prog! Any music which is a "dumbing down" of classical music (like ELP's PICTURES or 'Jerusalem', I guess) horrifies me. I also think you could make a very good case for Krautrock. The Germans recorded more outrageous prog than anyone else in Europe (including the U.K.) because of their unique historical, geographical and political position. Just look at Can, for example!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2008 at 11:36
there is some great music on the swedish progressive rock boxed set. by the way how many progressive bands were there in america from 1969 to 1974.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 20 2008 at 21:08
Originally posted by mrgd mrgd wrote:

I drive an Alfa Romeo 159 turbo-diesel down here on the underside of the globe. It sure likes the prog I play via. CD or media player. How do I know? It tells me so, in English ,whats more . You work it out, but I think its telling me that it's all good. Right now it's really into RITUAL
 
Turbo Diesel, hmmm. interesting. My fav Alfa was the 1750 GTV, a nice car indeed.
Sounds like your Alfa has good taste in toons.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 05:34
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

I am so tired of the USA getting crapped on in threads like this.  
 
 


I'm tired of brits and americans crapping on the rest of the world.  


A bit severe don't you think?Wink

But aren't we all hippies who look at this website?  From an alternative culture where "hippy rock" (or Prog rock) was the main thing in hippy culture.  It was the hippies who hated all that World-beating-up stuff - we certainly don't stand for that (we're embarrassed about all that and want it to changeEmbarrassed
That is why the original music had to come from Britain, where the middle-class youth were embarrassed about the past and produced the music that went with it

Times changed and the rest of the World took it on - with fabulous results - I've been listening to Opeth's new album (I know it's not quite Norwegian, but nearly) and it's really really good...

All in all it's just another brick in the wall...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 05:41
 ^ great post, Pink Clap  Lamp   ..and I do vaguely recall it was the hippies that kinda kept Prog alive at a point with their open-minded attitudes and all, most hippies I knew loved Yes, Floyd and Tull


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 06:05
TongueThanks Atavachron! 

As an additional note (only partly related to my post above) - When I was young it was always "hippy rock".  The term Prog I never heard until recent years (don't mind though - I'm happy with that)



This World-nastiness is what the hippies detested...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 21 2008 at 08:25
Originally posted by PinkPangolin PinkPangolin wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

I am so tired of the USA getting crapped on in threads like this.  
 
 


I'm tired of brits and americans crapping on the rest of the world.  


A bit severe don't you think?Wink

But aren't we all hippies who look at this website?  From an alternative culture where "hippy rock" (or Prog rock) was the main thing in hippy culture.  It was the hippies who hated all that World-beating-up stuff - we certainly don't stand for that (we're embarrassed about all that and want it to changeEmbarrassed
That is why the original music had to come from Britain, where the middle-class youth were embarrassed about the past and produced the music that went with it

Times changed and the rest of the World took it on - with fabulous results - I've been listening to Opeth's new album (I know it's not quite Norwegian, but nearly) and it's really really good...

All in all it's just another brick in the wall...


Ahem...don't have any problem with your post 'pinko' but  although you may be correct for a large number of vistors to this site, I have certainly never been, am not and never will be a 'hippy.'Wink
I also think that the lazy 'peace/love/ban the whale' stereotype attached to much of the classic UK prog output has been a hinderence to prog being considered a credible genre by the mainstream.
Apart from prog, I am a big fan of what might be termed 'post-punk' music eg Cure, Banshees, Joy Division, Bunnymen, Television, XTC, Talking Heads etc (as I am sure many other visitors to PA are)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 22 2008 at 05:55
Good comment Lemming-man

I'm not saying you are a hippy - maybe you ought to bring out the "hippy-ine" side in you.LOL

A you won't disagree, the hippies lead Progressive music in the 60's and 70's, but I guess the overall hippy life was too hard to lead (even the British struggled with that in the end), and things moved on.  But intellectual rock music didn't (some say "geek" music these days but I would be offended by that).  Maybe it was the "whole big lifestyle" thing that made it become a hindrance, but you can still be opposed to war, hatred and over-patriotism (I'm not saying you aren't of course!!)

Hippy culture largely died out I guess, but the legacy of sophisticated rock remained.  I almost prefer the term "sophisticated rock" for the prog rock of today - take bands like Mars Volta and Oeansize - they are certainly NOT hippies but they and their music is well well cool dude.  Alternative rock isn't such a good term - people expect "Indie" with that.

I really like punk music too - well I did when I was very young.  Maybe that's why I can't help liking the Mars Volta perhaps - a good mix from both genres (very rare sadly)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 23 2008 at 11:44
Originally posted by debrewguy debrewguy wrote:

I would not hesitate to say that British prog is the best prog to come out of England. Probably Scotland too, except that the Scots no longer want to hear themselves included as Brits.


Ahem...as a Scotsman I would be intrigued to learn on what you base this remark Debrewbuy ? Wink
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