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Poll Question: What do you think is the best choice for an alternative fuel?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 11:16
Originally posted by HughesJB4 HughesJB4 wrote:

I can't picture Hydrogen becoming a really viable solution for at least 20 years yet. Hell, the hybrid car hasn't even really taken off.
 
Not according to Honda, they are unable to keep up with demand for hybrids now.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 14:44
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

Originally posted by Garion81 Garion81 wrote:

Stonie you really from San Bernardino?


Nah, Indiana...the ethanol capital of the world. LOL
 
Good to know the heartland is so well supplied. Wink
 
The reasonI asked is I actually live about 30-40 minutes from that notorious city.  It is everything Zappa wrote about and worse. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 23:53
Bio-Diesel and BioMass are the two best options as of now. Hemp is an incredible plant that is adaptable and can grow in almost any environment. It can produce over 20,000 different products that are now oil based. It was once an almost billion dollar crop before it was banned. The US constitution was written on a piece of paper made of hemp. Jefferson was a proponent of hemp. It would not legalize marijuana as the two are different derivatives of the cannabis plant. Hemp contains almost very little THC (not even a significant amount to get high off of) and can even be bred to have 0 (or extremely close to it). Hemp would not only help the oil dependency situation but also significantly reduce the number of trees that are cut down, but then all the loggers and oilmen would be very very upset. All restaurants use oils to cook food and then they just toss the stuff. Why not reuse it for your vehicle?

Also the hemp plant grows quite efficiently and is incredibly sustainable. Possibly more so than any other plant.


Ethanol is crap. Not only are the effects from using it terrible, but it also puts even more reliance on corn in the US. Corn is a bad. Or more accurately, Corn is good, but has become a legalized, abused whore and has messed up our agricultural system. You can thank the idiots on and around capital hill for that though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 17 2008 at 23:59
Originally posted by crimhead crimhead wrote:



Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

If someone out there has the clout to make us pay for gas as much as we do now, they also have the clout to prevent any alternative fules from gaining the upper hand. Learn to live on air/sunlight, and take the bus or walk. End of story.
This from the oil minister of the UAEALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) - Recent huge spikes in oil prices are
"crazy" and unrelated to supply and demand fundamentals as world
markets are adequately supplied with crude, the United Arab Emirates
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oil-consuming countries to discuss runaway prices because they are
hurting economies, Mohammed al-Hamli said. Saudi Arabia will host such
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barrel, capping a two-day surge of more than $16 and stunning analysts
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The UAE has spare capacity and is "quite happy" to supply more oil if called upon, he said.

So who is setting the price of this commodity if the suppliers are saying they have a glut of it? I agree that we have to get off of oil but our leaders are doing little to do so. Who is pulling their strings?




However, these are all statements coming from a man that works for a government that has built the majority of its wealth from oil production and is currently building an island because of that wealth.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 08:06
None of the above: all those bio-ethanols are running up food inflation rates, and will have to be abadonned.
 
THE REAL SOLUTION!!!!
 
 
Remember that you've read here first.
 
The solution will be the car that runs on compressed air
 
Held in big 300 l tanks and 300 bar, there won't be anymore explosion or fumesor even excessive heat.
 
picture your Once the piston is above, you inject 300 bar air and the detention of the gas to 1 or 2 bar will push the cylinder down. No explosion, just a gas gaining back its proper state, and even provoking some cooling (rather than heating), probably causing some condension on the engine surface.
 
A french manufacturer has those vehicles close to join the marke^place and the car have autonomy of  km (better than electric, which take up hours to recharge the batteries)).
 
Tank stations you ask?: place every ten Km a windmikll (the most powerful can develop up to 2 MW) to drive a HP compressor to fill up a tank  of the station (in case of prolonged lack of wind, the compressor can work on electricuty as well): >>> the driver comes up to the tank and connects to his empty car tanks the hoses between the two, opens the valves and within 20 seconds, his car tanks are filled again....
 
No explosion, flame or fume. no air pollution both in driving around and producing the "fuel", this is almost like a miracle..... And it's about to happen (I'm fighting for it), too!!!
 
Compressed air is cheap and can be compressed cleanly (but must be filtered from water, oil and dust before reaching the "combustion chamber"
 
The big downside: if car makers don't lose jobs, anyone owning a compressor can have undefined access to an unlimited source of energy (ths isan enormous plus for you and I), which NOBODY amongst politicians and economists want >> too much loses in revenues. and a whole side of petro-industries becoming almost useless.
 
 
 
 
 
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 18:57

^ Thanks for sharing Sean here are some links (although some are no longer good) on the subject



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 19 2008 at 22:55
BIO FUEL WITH GARBAGE
Hi progmaniacs of all the world
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