Are you a "progressive" listener?

Henry Plainview wrote: Not really. But does your whole argument rely on how strongly you parse the difference between "hate" and "strongly dislike"? Because I don't think he meant that people genuinely want to slowly torture LaBrie to death by cutting him with snapped DT CDs.   But even if they did truly hate the music, which is OK, or want to murder LaBrie, which is less OK but you can't have everything, what does "prejudice" have to do with any of it?

you know, i may not understand how you measure the weight of your words, but hate is a word pretty strong to me. . . "Strongly dislike" is to not like, but also not having any kind of negative feeling towards it. "Hate" is to not like and ALSO having negative feelings towards it.

For example: i don't like Tool, but i hate Panic at the Disco.

Henry Plainview wrote: CCVP wrote: Henry Plainview wrote: Not really. But does your whole argument rely on how strongly you parse the difference between "hate" and "strongly dislike"? Because I don't think he meant that people genuinely want to slowly torture LaBrie to death by cutting him with snapped DT CDs.   But even if they did truly hate the music, which is OK, or want to murder LaBrie, which is less OK but you can't have everything, what does "prejudice" have to do with any of it? you know, i may not understand how you measure the weight of your words, but hate is a word pretty strong to me. . . "Strongly dislike" is to not like, but also not having any kind of negative feeling towards it. "Hate" is to not like and ALSO having negative feelings towards it. For example: i don't like Tool, but i hate Panic at the Disco. In most cases, I do not consider hate to be a very strong word and usually don't see it used as one. It's just a stronger synonym for dislike most of the time, unless you really really mean it as in like wanting to literally murder someone, but that's rare. How can you say dislike, much less strongly dislike, means apathetic? Apathy is a completely different word.   But now, since you hate Panic, are you being prejudiced?

The T wrote: Hate shouldn't be used in music... well, maybe with Sigur Ros....... No, not really... I absolutely dislike and can't stand many emo-pop bands, but that doesn't mean I want to have the singer from Fall out Boy in front of me so I can slowly bleed him to death... But surely we can choose a better word for our taste...   Love is also a weird word.. when you say "I love Labrie" you know it sounds kind of weird...   It's better not to use those feeling-related words when writing a review. Yes, they don't mean literally what they mean, but in a good review, those should be ommited. Or explained I guess.   In the forum, we should understand that "love" and "hate" have other meaning and just let it be...

true T.

Another thing: how the hell could you take that picture? When they were touring down here they only allowed a few chosen ones to go backstage.

The T wrote: It's better not to use those feeling-related words when writing a review. Yes, they don't mean literally what they mean, but in a good review, those should be ommited. Or explained I guess.   In the forum, we should understand that "love" and "hate" have other meaning and just let it be...

Edited by Henry Plainview - June 04 2008 at 16:23

I guess theres no standard reply to an entry like this. I wanted to lift Brongl to the attention of the prog listender (faeroic), they had a special tune in the eighties. Nowadays there's Farmer's Market and Luna Laguna, both norwegian. Balkan boogie or tech retro. Interesting both. Check them out!

Apart from my 35 years of Pink Floyd listening, I'm new to prog (I've enjoyed a lot of experimental avant garde music for decades, as well as the traditional plethora of 'classic' bands, punk, funk, soul, and daft pop)
So I'm a progressive listener - I haven't yet delved much into the modern era, there's too much just from the first five years that I haven't heard yet.
I've still never heard any album by Yes, and only two by King Crimson, and three by Genesis

I'll get around to them one day.  Like I said, there's too much out there as it is

I saw some different opinions here, wich is ok , but the newer bands sounds sometimes  copy/paste to ones from the "70's. Of coures exceptions are and not every band from today is like that but some of them are really bad and unintristing. I listen 70% old stuff and the rest new. But is so much to discover old bands not only new bands. Even from the old school are  some outsanding bands that never reaches a world wide recognition. Anyway my opinion is that the prog from today is miles away from what was made in the golden era of prog. Today the prog movement is more like rock or metal combined with  good keys , wich is totaly different from the "70's.

Deathrabbit wrote: See the thing is though if more people have degrees, they are devalued. The point of getting a degree is to prove you have special skills. It's simple supply and demand. I'll agree that it's a bitch but the world is just that way.

Education is not a commodity.  However, paper credentials do evince one's capacity to kowtow to the whims of arbitrary authority.

This is why that as it gets easier and easier for people to get degrees, higher levels of degrees are becoming the standard.

In which sense is it "easier" now for an individual to obtain college degree, or for that matter a graduate degree? 

In engineering, you pretty much need a masters anymore.

For the more technically demanding jobs, sure.  Please understand that the graduate-level curriculum uses an approach quite distinct from the more or less clinical training one receives as an undergraduate.

There are tons of my fellow classmates that just slack off and still manage to graduate.

The degree doesn't guarantee you employment, however.  Of course, certain industries only care that you've earned the degree, regardless of your GPA; others, however, place not a little weight on such factors.

It's getting to the point where pretty soon you're gonna need a ph.D just to work at McDonalds.  Of course the stranglehold of Big Business on the US Gov't also has a lot to do with it as well. Our govenrnments practice of throwing money at rich people to stimulate the economy needs to stop.

I agree with you on this point.  Washington basically serves the interests of the very wealthy, not (ostensibly) you or I.

In any case, and on topic, I listened to "modern" music for so long, that I've grown somewhat jaded by it.  Listening to music from the 70s is really rather refreshing for me.  It appears to me that an entirely different zeitgeist influenced the music (and film, for that matter) of that era than the one which dominates our present time.  However, there are current exceptions to that broad generality (in particular, I'm thinking of Opeth).

Henry Plainview wrote: The T wrote: It's better not to use those feeling-related words when writing a review. Yes, they don't mean literally what they mean, but in a good review, those should be ommited. Or explained I guess.   In the forum, we should understand that "love" and "hate" have other meaning and just let it be...  Exactly, I'm not talking about a more formal review, this is casual conversation. In casual conversation about these things, hate is no longer a very strong word. But dislike is not the same thing at all as apathetic.   But while pedantic debates are always fun, we've missed the point of "prejudice", haven't we?

To quote the latest bit from Mars Volta, "You better not talk if you came here for semantics.  It's only a matter of folding time and space before I become your epidemic."  Or maybe just that first sentence... yeah probably.

Anyhow, as for me, it's probably 85% new, 15% old.  As for seeking out new bands, I'm practicing my drums in most of my free time, so between that and work, there's not a lot of time for seeking new bands (though I should).  The archives have been a huge aid to me in the past in vastly expanding my musical horizons, though.  It all started years ago with one guy showing me Liquid Tension Experiment back in early high school, and it sat there in my mind for a long time until my freshman year of college when I got a DT CD, at which point I was the biggest DT fanboy for about 6 months.

Right now, though, I've been looking into the extremely heavy sections of prog metal as well as very light music, not so much the middle ground in between, which I consider to be bands like Tool or Dream Theater.  I have 2 King Crimson CD's and 1 Pink Floyd CD, and other than that, it's just a few Rush CD's, which I consider to be more modern-sounding even back in the time of Farewell to Kings.

Not only am I a progressive listener - taking in the new prog - sprinkled with the old, but I am also open to all other sorts of music and genres - even some I'd probably be flamed for.  I may be a music whore but I remain now and foremost - a proggrl!  :)