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Treasure
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Topic: Is Pink Floyd overrated? Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:16 |
I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure garbage and they've really made nothing of interest since The Wall.
Are they overrated?
Yes
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:18 |
So they made 3 disappointing albums in your opinion, they have a much bigger discography than just that you know. They are one of the pioneers of progressive rock and their classic era deserves all the praise it gets. Even their early psychadellia years deserve a lot of praise for pushing the boundaries of the time. Overrated? I really don't think so.
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stonebeard
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:20 |
The Wall as an album is always name-dropped, but it's not that good. Everything else deserves the recognition or needs more recognition.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:27 |
Treasure wrote:
I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure garbage and they've really made nothing of interest since The Wall.
Are they overrated?
Yes |
The strange thing about this post is your Opeth Avatar.
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A B Negative
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:30 |
I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure genius but they've really made nothing of interest since The Final Cut.
Are they overrated?
No.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:31 |
King By-Tor wrote:
So they made 3 disappointing albums in your opinion, they have a much bigger discography than just that you know. They are one of the pioneers of progressive rock and their classic era deserves all the praise it gets. Even their early psychadellia years deserve a lot of praise for pushing the boundaries of the time. Overrated? I really don't think so.
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totally agree. Echoes, One of these Days, Atom Heart Mother, Careful with that Axe Eugene, Saucerful of Secrets, Astronomy Domine, Set The Controls.., Dogs, Pigs(three different ones), Sheep... rings you any bell?
All those songs above are masterpieces or at least excellent. Their psych era, though I don't like the debut that much, it influenced a LOT of bands on those times.
Dude, are they underrated? Yep.
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warwick
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:33 |
Whaaat?? Pink Floyd is probably the greatest thing that happened to music since the time of Beethoven.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:33 |
Treasure wrote:
I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure garbage and they've really made nothing of interest since The Wall.
Are they overrated?
Yes |
How many classic prog bands have done something of interest since 1979?
They had a 4 album run of 5-star or near 5 star albums. I think thats plenty to merit the praise they receive. Not overrated.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:41 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Treasure wrote:
I think most of their early psychedlic stuff was pure garbage and they've really made nothing of interest since The Wall.
Are they overrated?
Yes |
How many classic prog bands have done something of interest since 1979?
They had a 4 album run of 5-star or near 5 star albums. I think thats plenty to merit the praise they receive. Not overrated. |
exactly. Yes made their final prog "epic" with Drama, in 1980 but after that they went with pop.
Genesis the same, Duke was their last thing that had at least something from their gold era, but after that they went to pop prog.
ELP? They already started decaying with Works in the mid 70's.
Camel? they went on pop prog.
From the 70's bands you couldn't expect great 80's stuff. With few exceptions like Zappa and King Crimson.
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febus
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:46 |
One day. we are going to ask the PA admin. to BAN the word ''overrated''. It is used and overused and worst, carries no meaning.
Every thread mentioning this word.....deleted!!!! disapeared!!! and PA planet will be a better world after that!.
You like PINK FLOYD or not.......... doesn't matter!! they are the vitrin of prog. Millions of progheads learnt about this kind of music because of SOSecrets, Meddle, AHM, DSOFTM and so on.
Of course, the prog ''elite'' will tell you PF is not that complicated , no time changes and other stupidities and worst, a few ''elitists'' history revisionists are even denying the word prog to the music of PF. ..
As if ATOM HEART MOTHER was reggae/ska maybe!!!!!!
NO, NO, NO!!! they're not overrated and everyone should say THANK YOU to Roger, David, Rick and Nick and Syd for everything they did, the pleasures they gave us and all the doors they open for other prog bands.
So tired of this overrated PINK FLOYD bashing!
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The Quiet One
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:56 |
^AMEN!
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Queen By-Tor
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 14:57 |
febus wrote:
One day. we are going to ask the PA admin. to BAN the word ''overrated''. It is used and overused and worst, carries no meaning.
Every thread mentioning this word.....deleted!!!! disapeared!!! and PA planet will be a better world after that!.
You like PINK FLOYD or not.......... doesn't matter!! they are the vitrin of prog. Millions of progheads learnt about this kind of music because of SOSecrets, Meddle, AHM, DSOFTM and so on.
Of course, the prog ''elite'' will tell you PF is not that complicated , no time changes and other stupidities and worst, a few ''elitists'' history revisionists are even denying the word prog to the music of PF. ..
As if ATOM HEART MOTHER was reggae/ska maybe!!!!!!
NO, NO, NO!!! they're not overrated and everyone should say THANK YOU to Roger, David, Rick and Nick and Syd for everything they did, the pleasures they gave us and all the doors they open for other prog bands.
So tired of this overrated PINK FLOYD bashing! |
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Zargus
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:03 |
This topic = some close minded metal guy that dont like classic prog / PF. How very orginal.
DSOTM was the album that opened my eyes to this type of music called prog and i will be for ever greatfull. PF is one of the best bands on this site nuff said.
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mellors
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:20 |
I dont think so. What they lacked in virtuosity & complexity they made up for with top notch songwriting and one of the most unique and influential sounds in rock. The psychadelic era sounds great to my ears, and has dated a lot less than most music from the 60s, the 70s period works are classics and the Wall onwards, while being less creative have strong material.
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khammer99
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:29 |
I don't find most of their music particularly interesting to me, but clearly, their influence on popular music for the last third of the 20th century can not be called overrated. Any accolades they recieve are deserved, they're just not going to get any of my money. And I too hate the word "overrated". You like them, or you don't.
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Genius is always allowed some leeway, once the hammer has
been pried from its hands and the blood has been cleaned up.
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Relayer09
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 15:36 |
Any band that has been as successful and influential as Pink Floyd cannot be labled overrated. Wether you like them or not is more of a personal preference.
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If you lose your temper, you've lost the arguement. -Proverb
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:01 |
febus wrote:
One day. we are going to ask the PA admin. to BAN the word ''overrated''. It is used and overused and worst, carries no meaning.
Every thread mentioning this word.....deleted!!!! disapeared!!! and PA planet will be a better world after that!.
You like PINK FLOYD or not.......... doesn't matter!! they are the vitrin of prog. Millions of progheads learnt about this kind of music because of SOSecrets, Meddle, AHM, DSOFTM and so on.
Of course, the prog ''elite'' will tell you PF is not that complicated , no time changes and other stupidities and worst, a few ''elitists'' history revisionists are even denying the word prog to the music of PF. ..
As if ATOM HEART MOTHER was reggae/ska maybe!!!!!!
NO, NO, NO!!! they're not overrated and everyone should say THANK YOU to Roger, David, Rick and Nick and Syd for everything they did, the pleasures they gave us and all the doors they open for other prog bands.
So tired of this overrated PINK FLOYD bashing! |
There are a couple points I'd like to address on this post of yours febus. First of all, you can't honestly think that we should ban the use of the word overrated. I, for one, have called several bands on this website 'overrated', including, to be honest and since it relates to the thread, Pink Floyd. Part of this forum and website is so people can express themselves openly. Why do you think PA lets its members write their own reviews? Secondly, as much as I dislike Pink Floyd these days, I won't deny that they are an important contributor for progressive rock (and even mainstream rock) as well as many other bands that followed. Part of the reason I dislike PF may be that I listened to them so much as a young teenager for a period of about two years that I burned myself out on them, as well as the fact that I've discovered many other bands who I feel are better. One of my favorite bands of all time, Dream Theater, might not be the same band it is without its PF influence. Thirdly, the fact that PF is considered one of the 4 biggest/original prog bands, along with KC, Yes, and Genesis, and yet they make, IMO, more simplistic music than the other 3 says something. After all, aren't complex rhythms, rapid time signature changes, and so forth elements that distinguish progressive rock from other genres of rock? While I may disagree with you febus, I still respect your opinion. I would prefer to listen to PF over the garbage on the radio these days, but I think that in all honesty you might be the one who isn't being open enough to other people's opinions. If you wish to have a debate on this topic, I'm more than willing to engage you, but hopefully you can at least understand why I dislike PF.
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cohen34
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:03 |
No way! Dark Side and Piper alone far outweigh any flews in their catalogue (AHM in particular). These guys introduced me, and many others Im sure, to the genre we love today.
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crimhead
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:07 |
stonebeard wrote:
The Wall as an album is always name-dropped, but it's not that good. Everything else deserves the recognition or needs more recognition.
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I think that if it was a single disc it would have been far better. Overrated? No. They are RnR Hall of Fame worthy of all that they have given to music.
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puma
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Posted: June 16 2008 at 16:09 |
"Pink Floyd is overrated because they don't use Mellotron"
-every PA user
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