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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 10:18
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Visitor13 Visitor13 wrote:

Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:

Originally posted by Tasartir Tasartir wrote:

Hmmm, Frank Zappa, anyone?


So what? What do you mean?


Everybody knows he is great, and that he is american. But Zappa (and Beefheart) hardly make up a "progscene" alone.





And Yezda Urfa, and Happy the Man, and probably some other stuff... still not a "scene", but there's more there than it would appear. And that's just the '70s stuff.




You should know that I know that too, but as you also say; It doesn't make a scene (and I was writing about the american 70's).


I know you know, but every excuse to plug Yezda Urfa is a good one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 11:50
For more information and to keep this battle going - I kind of got the idea from a Q Classic magazine entitled "Pink Floyd and the Story of Prog Rock" (2005 issue) in which Cedric Bixler-Zavala (an American/ Mexican type chappy) was quoted to say prog rock "has to be British.  They're the cream of the crop"

Ignorant, eh? (PS one of my friends is Norwegian!)

I expected to offend some Americans (shucks)

This picture says it all....  British prog is the best!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:05
Originally posted by PinkPangolin PinkPangolin wrote:

For more information and to keep this battle going - I kind of got the idea from a Q Classic magazine entitled "Pink Floyd and the Story of Prog Rock" (2005 issue) in which Cedric Bixler-Zavala (an American/ Mexican type chappy) was quoted to say prog rock "has to be British.  They're the cream of the crop"

Ignorant, eh? (PS one of my friends is Norwegian!)

I expected to offend some Americans (shucks)



 


hahahah.. well.. .famous or not Cedric doesn't know sh*t for prog LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:08
Originally posted by PinkPangolin PinkPangolin wrote:


The Beatles built Psychedelia, leading to Pink Floyd, then there' s Genesis, then there's Yes, then there's King Crimson, then there's ELP, Jethro Tull - the list goes on...


Brit Prog the best ?
I used to think so...until I heard those magnificent Italian Progressives Wink

Originally posted by PinkPangolin PinkPangolin wrote:


Also the American stuff has a tendency to sound cheesy


Agree...LOL

The only exception is Zappa.
The most gifted, talented, hard-working, totally independent rock musician America has ever produced.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:16
I've always believed that Italy had enough talent to feed sufficiently a continent like Europe. IMHO they made the most eclectic and interesting prog in the world . Also, Belgium's prog is criminally underrated and among the best ones too.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:18
1. Germany
2. France
3. The United States
4. Great Britain
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:28
Originally posted by oracus oracus wrote:

I've always believed that Italy had enough talent to feed sufficiently a continent like Europe. IMHO they made the most eclectic and interesting prog in the world


they did.. which explains the high casaulty rate among groups... far more prog groups that the market could support... but thankfully for us.. the music survives.. and once you progress past the big 5.. you see a WEALTH of great prog that rivals the best of anything that came out of more celebrated places like England... or even Germany.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:32
How about ARGENTINIAN Prog?!?!?

#1 Argentina
#2 Argentina
#3 Argentina
#4 Argentina
#5 Argentina
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#7 Argentina
#8 Argentina
#9 Argentina
#10 Argentina
#11 British
#12-20 the rest.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:45
Just for the record: Cedric B-Z (who has also been known to say TMV are not prog) is not Mexican, but from Puerto Rico, as is TMV mastermind, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez. If Chamberry reads that, you'll be in for some funLOL!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:48
England is definitely up there, but I'd probably put Germany and France before it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 12:59
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Just for the record: Cedric B-Z (who has also been known to say TMV are not prog) is not Mexican, but from Puerto Rico, as is TMV mastermind, Omar Rodriguez-Lopez. If Chamberry reads that, you'll be in for some funLOL!


hahhaha... yeah... surest way to get a knife drawn on you here... go calling the P-R's here Mexican LOLLOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:21
British the best hmmm not shore about that , most commercial and Successful  yes but best ?
but what i would say is Prog is mainly a European  genre   , North America just does not do  prog hence i have hardly any Prog music in my collection from North America  its mostly from Europe , but then we go in the Argument again about what is and what isn't Prog ? 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:35
German prog is better, IMO.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:42
Originally posted by rileydog22 rileydog22 wrote:

German prog is better, IMO.  


As is French (Magma)
and American (Zappa/Beefheart/lots of avant-garde)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:51
French is pretty dry except Magma and Art Zoyd, and two bands hardly make a great scene.

Likewise, America doesn't have much going for it besides Zappa and Beefheart--the latest wave of American avant leaves me pretty cold. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:56
For the seventies? Yes!
 
As for now, America top pwns everyone else, with Japan and Sweden close behind.
 
After reading most of this thread I remember why I almost never post in the prog music discussion lounge anymore, cause 90% of the people who discuss here are either stuck in the seventies, or have a problem with metal. Honestly, besides Porcupine Tree, The UK is one of the most regressive countries in prog right now, nothing coming out of the UK feels fresh and original compared to any of the Scandinavian countries or America.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 13:58
the US? meh if i wanted to listen to a country full of prog copyists I'd go with Japan, whose bands often sound like they're enjoying zemselves
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 14:22
Ah, it started to be the battle of the nations, and he already have european football championships under our belt (on Friday I wanted to write that I hate british prog due to Howard Webb's "prank" but the taunting scenes from Monty Python and the Holy Grail acted as a therapy).
 
And back to the matter onto who invented and developed prog - there is no dubbed we use the term "progressive rock" because it is the word that was coined to describe the style of bands like King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Yes and other british bands, who gained the greatest commercial success, also thanks to growing sensibility to more complex music in Europe and USA.
 
The success was also artistical, seeing at the list of most important albums, and we agree that bulk of the first ten or twenty of it was created by British bands. Ando also contemporary british prog is strong, not only Porcupine Tree or The Tangent, but also the great bands of neoprog are at their peak...
yet you still have time!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 14:45
Originally posted by RaphaelT RaphaelT wrote:

 
And back to the matter onto who invented and developed prog
 
WRONG
 
This thread is about the UK giving out the best prog output, a year ago I would have said yes without hesitation, now it's the exact opposite.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 15 2008 at 15:03
I am so tired of the USA getting crapped on in threads like this.  I grew up in Orange County, California in the 70's graduating High School in 1974.  We had 5 bands playing symphonic progressive rock from 1972-1978 never getting signed. (ask Micky I gave him samples of some of the bands practice tapes) I remember a concert where all 5 played at and it drew 5000 kids and none of these groups had a deal.   That was 5 bands in one small part of the country.  I contend most American prog died on the vine and was never signed because the music industry was already consolidating the avenues of styles.  (The only real experimental music in the US came out of the 67-70 Psychedelic bands and other The Doors, The Byrds and Touch but even still much of this music was still processed for hit radio) The only reason we had Kansas was because they had drawn Don Kirshner's notice BEFORE Kerry Livgren joined the band.  It was Livgren that added the symphonic elements to the group.  It was a total fluke. Before people criticize this band I have heard more people in the US say their first introduction to prog, several dozen in the last year or so,  was through Kansas. Maybe they were not influential on an international level but here they certainly were. 
 
(For all of you who say they were a copy cat band I suggest you pick up an album called Proto-Kaw Early Recordings From Kansas 1971-3 and see how much earlier some of the songs the famous Kansas recorded were actually written and hear how Livgren was using more experimental music with no synths or mellotrons)  
 
I would put up the recordings of Happy the Man against any band from Europe in the 70's as well.  They may well have the most Euro sounding of all the American groups. 
 
No we were not well represented in the 70's on record but the current wave of bands are as good or better than anything out there now. I put IZZ, Echolyn, Helmet of Gnats, Frogg Cafe, Umphreys McGee up as more of progressive band than PT.  The Tanget is an international band with a terrible singer so don't try to get British ownership there.  As for cheese there is nothing cheesier than Neo in my mind.  Galahad (British) anyone? Wink
 
That said it was the Britsih who popularized the sound.  Whether or not it is the best is entirely subjective. 
 
I am not trying cause a war but at I am least trying to defend and educate what was going on in the US in the 70's
 
 


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