Alternative Fuels

Ethanol = a sham

Garion81 wrote: Stonie you really from San Bernardino?

Nah, Indiana...the ethanol capital of the world.

^^^

That.

Hybrids ftw.  You can always rent a car if you really need one for a long road trip.

And I'm sure they'll find ways to make them go further and charge faster, anyway.

If someone out there has the clout to make us pay for gas as much as we do now, they also have the clout to prevent any alternative fules from gaining the upper hand. Learn to live on air/sunlight, and take the bus or walk. End of story.

Visitor13 wrote: If someone out there has the clout to make us pay for gas as much as we do now, they also have the clout to prevent any alternative fules from gaining the upper hand. Learn to live on air/sunlight, and take the bus or walk. End of story.

This from the oil minister of the UAE


ALGARY, Alberta (Reuters) - Recent huge spikes in oil prices are "crazy" and unrelated to supply and demand fundamentals as world markets are adequately supplied with crude, the United Arab Emirates energy minister told Reuters on Tuesday.

Still, the OPEC member would be pleased to join in a meeting with oil-consuming countries to discuss runaway prices because they are hurting economies, Mohammed al-Hamli said. Saudi Arabia will host such a gathering later this month.

"There is no shortage of crude oil in the market. Inventory levels are huge," Hamli said after speaking at a conference in Canada.

On Friday, U.S. crude jumped $10.75 to a record close of $138.54 a barrel, capping a two-day surge of more than $16 and stunning analysts who saw little fundamental reason for the spike.

"If you look at prices moving by $10 a day, that doesn't make sense," Hamli said.

"That's crazy."

The UAE has spare capacity and is "quite happy" to supply more oil if called upon, he said.

So who is setting the price of this commodity if the suppliers are saying they have a glut of it? I agree that we have to get off of oil but our leaders are doing little to do so. Who is pulling their strings?

Edited by crimhead - June 15 2008 at 13:40

Ethanol is a very well publicized scam. It's barely an energy gain, if at all.

Also, ETHANOL INTO FOOD!! isn't quite true yet.

AP
UN chief: Saudi to boost oil production
Sunday June 15, 5:46 pm ET

UN chief says Saudi Arabia plans to increase oil production by 200,000 barrels a day

I think the whole idea of driving 100 miles just for the sake of it is pretty f***ed up. Yeah, sure, electricity won't last that long, but hey... Personally I'd take a train. I happen to be blessed enough to have a nice train system and when i move to Helsinki there'll be trams everywhere so I won't have to go allt he way by bike. Though back in the old days it was no problem for the old people to just ride 100 miles to go look for work, or that's what they say all the time. In fact, cycling some 50 miles a day wouldn't hurt anyone either. I myself only go 20 or so miles a day, to the shop and back.

There's a petition or something at Facebook, that's gathering names for lower gasoline prices. A friend of mine joined and asked me to join too. I told her, that I find the whole idea sh*t and I'd rather bring down any price in the world than gasoline. Not that I hate it, but seriously, using all the gas 'till we have none left isn't really the solution we should be looking for. I personalyl don't think, that with cars, the reason we should develope them further is the growing lack of oil but what a million or more gas motors are doing to the environment.

Also, notice, that china is currently building up their "car culture" faster than anything. I find people moralizing over it, though still driving their own cars and saying that they have one already, there shouldn't be more. But the truth is, in 20-30 years we'll most likely have twice as much cars and individual personal forms of transportation than what we have now. Well, if the east is innovative, they might build a society around electric cars or rice-field ethanol. After all, rice-wine is too awful to drink anyway.

Personally I'd prefer transportation gates like the ones in Baldur's Gate2, or motorbikes that run on squirrel juice and play a happy ice-cream van tunes while triving. Oops, and I ranted again...

Honda rolled it's hydrogen car out today. Too bad I don't live in southern California.

I can't picture Hydrogen becoming a really viable solution for at least 20 years yet. Hell, the hybrid car hasn't even really taken off.