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tszirmay

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Posted: May 29 2008 at 19:45

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don't what? Question

I was complementing your choices, they are such that you don't need to be be more open-minded

I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth.

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Posted: May 29 2008 at 19:56

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I don't listen to prog enough these days....

It's not that I don't like it, it's just that my music taste has expanded a lot and i've realized the world is full of good music outside of prog. It seems like when I was prog obsessed I judged music by how 'proggy' is was and didn't listen for the sake of the music itself. Now a lot of stuff I couldn't appreciate back then I love and some of the music I liked back then just dosn't hold up.

well, thats not exactly my problem. I listen to basically anything that i like. The thing is that most things i like are classified as prog. . .

That's not a problem then. I felt the same way, almost everything I listened to was either prog or prog-related. Somehow that changed. It's seems so weird to me now, how I went from hating anything related to hip-hop but now find myself calling Public Enemy one of my favorites.

I noticed that the more I open my mind up to other music the less I listen to listen to prog.

holy crap, almost everything i listen is prog or somehow prog related. . . I just hope i don't follow your steps and feel like i wasted my money on something i don't like anymore.

ps: no offense intended.

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Posted: May 29 2008 at 19:59

tszirmay wrote:

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don't what? Question

I was complementing your choices, they are such that you don't need to be be more open-minded

i don't know. . . i still have some issues with neo prog, zehul and some other prog styles. But if you say so, who am i to disagree? LOL

Edited by CCVP - May 29 2008 at 19:59

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Posted: May 29 2008 at 22:42

I like prog because of it's arrogant nature, being music that delibberatly and arrogantly defiece common ground.

and off course prog failes misserably, but at least the attempt is being made.

anyone who thinks prog music is better than Madonna, Prince or Michael Jackson is by definition wrong, but stil I like prog better than anything else, just a matter of taste.

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Posted: May 29 2008 at 22:44

tuxon wrote:

I like prog because of it's arrogant nature, being music that delibberatly and arrogantly defiece common ground.

and off course prog failes misserably, but at least the attempt is being made.

anyone who thinks prog music is better than Madonna, Prince or Michael Jackson is by definition wrong, but stil I like prog better than anything else, just a matter of taste.

agreed

(well, sorta)

Edited by CCVP - May 29 2008 at 22:44

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Posted: May 29 2008 at 22:51

Why arrogant?

Because they try to break boundaries?

Because of their virtuosism?

Because they don't limit themselves to mainstream?

Or maybe it's called arrogant by people who don't bother to understand it.

I like a lot of music from different genres, but I consider the behaviour of many mainstream artists who feel they are gods much more arrogant than the average Proghead, just look what are the requirements of Michael Jackson, Madonna or any rapper to visit a country and compare them with any Prog musician.

Iván

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 29 2008 at 23:16

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Posted: May 29 2008 at 22:57

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Why arrogant?

Because they try to break boundaries?

Because of their virtuosism?

Because they don't limit themselves to mainstream?

Or maybe it's called arrogant by people who don't bother to understand it.

I like a lot of music from different genres, but ui consider the behaviour of many mainstream artists who feel they are gods much more arrogant than the average Proghead,m just look what are the requirements of Michael Jackson, Madonna or any rapper to visit a country and compare them with any Prog musician.

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Posted: May 29 2008 at 23:31

There's nothing arrogant about prog. Never has been. Maybe perceived pomposity is another topic for another thread.

As to the other stuff here, I listen to all kinds of music, some of which is pure garbage if we're talking in prog terms. It actually makes me appreciate prog all the more. But I've always enjoyed listening to any musician with complete command of his/her instrument, whether its a prog musician or that pedal-steel guy who's on the latest Alan Jackson album.

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Posted: May 29 2008 at 23:43

I think this guy brought up a great point, yes I get pretty tired of the stale technicallity of most prog rock, sometimes I hear no emotion or atmosphere, which is what I've been craving for the past year or so. Therefore I got into post rock, and eventually I'll get tired of the outpour of emotion, and probably return to stylized prog rock. Tastes move in waves.

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Posted: May 30 2008 at 01:14

with the vast array of different styles of prog around it would seem the ones who are not being open minded are those who are not listening to it ! to coin the phrase "most people are idiots" Approve

Edited by Yorkie X - May 30 2008 at 01:15

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Posted: May 30 2008 at 02:09

i know what the original poster means. Although i do come back every so often (lots of times it's KC), ive moved out of the prog world and into everything great like jazz, funk, Zappa, world music, jam bands, african music, avant-guard classical composers, some good pop (ex. Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, Peter Gabriel, Stevie Wonder, etc.), some rap (mostly trip hop or jazz rap) and also make my way back to my earlier metal and hard rock days.

i basically listen to music, but i love this site and it has such a vast amount of music.

Edited by darkshade - May 30 2008 at 02:10

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Posted: May 30 2008 at 02:35

tszirmay wrote:

I frankly listen to only prog , have done so for years IN SILENCE ! and without any arrogant desire to convert anyone. Reason: there is SO MUCH diversity in Prog , one can go from the very soft Gian Castello or Hostsonaten to the mercurial aura of symphonic masterpieces (endless list), via a little Canterbury or prog-jazz (Zaal, Soft Machine) to the insidious power of Magma or Taal. A little Neo here, a tad RIO there, some TDream electronica when bliss is requested. When I wanna rock, I choose some BOC, Wishbone Ash, Robin Trower etc...When I feel sad or melancholic , since 1972 , Roxy Music always wipes away the pain.....Don't need to go elsewhere.........

Those latter bands you mention - they're not really prog. Wink

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Posted: May 30 2008 at 03:08

I listen to prog rock for great songs and great tunes. I also find a lot of prog rock boring so I'm very selective. I'll happy listen to first part(s) of Shine on You Crazy Diamond but have no desire to listen to the second part(s) ever again. I also mainly listen to non prog. I started on prog in the mid/late 70's but widening my musical horizon has always been an aim but I've never let go of most of the music I liked then then, except perhaps Rush and Steve Hillage.

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Posted: May 30 2008 at 08:29

The Wizard wrote:

I noticed that the more I open my mind up to other music the less I listen to listen to prog.

Its like you've made the reverse process than most of us lol

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Posted: May 30 2008 at 08:36

tuxon wrote:

Anyone who thinks prog music is better than Madonna, Prince or Michael Jackson is by definition wrong, but stil I like prog better than anything else, just a matter of taste.

Usually what I stand for is: music is a matter of taste but there are some bands or artists that in terms of technique/lyrics are closer to being the best band in the world (there is no best band in the world just like 20 bands/artists that are very tied) than others and (and i dont want to say IMO now because it would screw my arguments) I consider those bands/artists the Prog ones.

So basically ,you may find me arrogant (lol), but I think that in the end music is just a matter of taste but there are people that have more the right to call their favorite band the best in the world than others

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Posted: May 31 2008 at 00:15

I'm rather surprised that someone would actually know, or take the time to figure out the % that different genres take up in one's listening time. I just listen to what I want to hear next. Enjoyment comes from hearing what you want, not by "figuring" what the mix should be.
Supersuckers - La Mano De Cornuda, Flower Kings, Paradox Hotel, Johnny Cash, AC/DC Let there Be Rock, Krokus - The Blitz, Alice Cooper School's Out, Night SUn - Mournin'. Who cares ? Once I'm done with one, I'm going what's next ?

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Posted: May 31 2008 at 00:42

stonebeard wrote:

The music I listen to:

65% classified as prog
15% kinda weird pop/rock (Roxy Music, Flaming Lips, etc)
10% regular classic rock or modern rock (Led Zeppelin, RHCP, Incubus, Smashing Pumpkins
10% Misc electronica (Aphex Twin, Massive Attack, etc)

I don't see "arrogance" as a good term in prog, terms like that don´t help that much you know...and it´s easy, you don´t have to listen to prog always mate!

The music i listen to:

70% classified as prog

20% alternative rock, new wave, brit pop and the likes (The Cure, The Smiths, Morrissey, James, The Jesus and Mary Chain, etc)

10% others (Spanish Rock, Classical, Folk)

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Posted: May 31 2008 at 01:11

debrewguy wrote:

I'm rather surprised that someone would actually know, or take the time to figure out the % that different genres take up in one's listening time.

They don't, last.fm does it for them.

I don't only listen to prog, but no, I don't get tired of it, at least in the sense of listening to "challenging" music. Beyond that, I'm really not sure what the OP is trying to say.

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Posted: May 31 2008 at 05:28

grahawk wrote:

I listen to prog rock for great songs and great tunes. I also find a lot of prog rock boring so I'm very selective. I'll happy listen to first part(s) of Shine on You Crazy Diamond but have no desire to listen to the second part(s) ever again.

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Posted: May 31 2008 at 11:44

I wouldn't say that long track lengths drive regular people away from prog, when I first heard my first 10 minute + song I was thrilled, didn't take any effort for me whatsoever to get into. If made me feel damn proud for some reason, I just figure most people would like the feeling of having some lengthy songs like I did.

But then again, I might be a little different since I'm currently listening to an album that's just under 2 and a half hours long and consists of four songs.