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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2008 at 20:19
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Linus, Ryan, Mick, other Italian freaks.....you're invited to my little den for smokes and cognac....

www.myspace.com/italianprog
great setup you have there, hopefully you can win some new convertsSmile btw good choice on the BDM song, that one'll get yer attention.
 
I can't add you as a friend because I share Rob's fear of Myspace and don't have an accountLOL...GeekOuch


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 00:58
Hi friends,
 
my appearences on the forum are becoming rare but the passion for italian prog is still alive. Unfortunately I won't be able to take part permanently to the discussions here. I also think I won't have the possibility to help the team in the bands' and albums' addition procedure. Probably I will cast some review... I have many albums (some rare and some new).
 
I would like also to post my personal top ten of recommendations. Let's see in the near future.
 
Micky: again I'm sorry for this situation but fortunately there is a new crew of valuable and qualified RPI fanatics, as I see. I follow almost daily (as much as I can) your discussion but time is tyrant. Don't think things will change in the next future.
 
Meantime: how about some contemporary italian stuff? Latest Hostsonaten's record (winterthrough) is amazing and a moderate improvement in comparison to the previous Springsong (which have, somehow, a more pop-celtic vein). See the reviews on this site: Erik has just returned back with his comments on this one.
 
Another delightful album from 2008 is the second release of Ainur titled Children of Hurin. I don't think this band belongs to ISP/RPI genre. They're more a mixed bang of symphonic and crossover band but, anyway, this new item sounds to me more mature and elegant and , above all, it starts off with the most intriguing and exciting track ever recorded by them: Morgoroth's Profecy.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 21:35
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

Hi friends,
 
my appearences on the forum are becoming rare but the passion for italian prog is still alive. Unfortunately I won't be able to take part permanently to the discussions here. I also think I won't have the possibility to help the team in the bands' and albums' addition procedure. Probably I will cast some review... I have many albums (some rare and some new).
 
I would like also to post my personal top ten of recommendations. Let's see in the near future.
 
Micky: again I'm sorry for this situation but fortunately there is a new crew of valuable and qualified RPI fanatics, as I see. I follow almost daily (as much as I can) your discussion but time is tyrant. Don't think things will change in the next future.
 
Meantime: how about some contemporary italian stuff? Latest Hostsonaten's record (winterthrough) is amazing and a moderate improvement in comparison to the previous Springsong (which have, somehow, a more pop-celtic vein). See the reviews on this site: Erik has just returned back with his comments on this one.
 
Another delightful album from 2008 is the second release of Ainur titled Children of Hurin. I don't think this band belongs to ISP/RPI genre. They're more a mixed bang of symphonic and crossover band but, anyway, this new item sounds to me more mature and elegant and , above all, it starts off with the most intriguing and exciting track ever recorded by them: Morgoroth's Profecy.


can't wait to see that list Andrea Clap

meh... this site is a hobby Andrea.. not a job... you've always got a seat at the table... we do have some recruits here.... a bit more seasoning and some time on the grill over some high heat.. and they should be well done.. and ready to join us.  As I told Guillermo..  whatever or whenever you can or want to contribute.. we always want to hear from you.  Until then... I just work at whatever pace I can go. and Andrea P and Raff has been a knights in shining armor as well.

I still have yet to hear Ainur's 2nd ... I do agree.. they aren't for us.. but still a nice listen.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 21:41
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Linus, Ryan, Mick, other Italian freaks.....you're invited to my little den for smokes and cognac....

www.myspace.com/italianprog


ooohhhh.. heading that way..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 21:49
sweet!!!!  Bravo James.. bravo Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 27 2008 at 22:32
Grazie Mick, glad you liked it.....can I get you another drink?


Ryan......area review......bravo! ClapClap

Tell me, is the Jimmy Row thing taken from the Dead song???
...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 02:36

Really a wonderful achievement, JimClap! Bravo indeed... It is great to see someone from the US trying to promote the current Italian prog scene. That clip by Il Bacio della Medusa is really impressive as well.. I haven't seen the album around, though I want to check the next time I go by the FNAC store that Micky knows about. At  present they are still in Heavy Prog, but if you want to get them moved to RPI, I'm sure David will agree to it (as I will).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 05:40
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Linus, Ryan, Mick, other Italian freaks.....you're invited to my little den for smokes and cognac....

www.myspace.com/italianprog
 
Great work, Jim!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 06:15
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Really a wonderful achievement, JimClap! Bravo indeed... It is great to see someone from the US trying to promote the current Italian prog scene. That clip by Il Bacio della Medusa is really impressive as well.. I haven't seen the album around, though I want to check the next time I go by the FNAC store that Micky knows about. At  present they are still in Heavy Prog, but if you want to get them moved to RPI, I'm sure David will agree to it (as I will).



Thanks Raffa and Mandy!!

As far as genres go Raff, I really don't know but here's what they said themselves...

-Most bands hate being labeled but how would BDM classify themselves?  Progressive? Hard rock?
Art Rock Progressive...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 06:45
I think Hard..errr.. Heavy is a good place for them based on what I've heard. The placement is just window dressing when you get down to it....  it is promoting them and 'exposing' the music that is really important.  For that James deserves some serious clappies.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 08:28
Hi to everyone from Grimalkin, Hug
I'm actually working (veeery sloowly) on a new Grimalkin record...
...an old beautiful review of The Drifting Sailer from Prog Archives ends up like this: Listen to it a dozen times or so and it will bloom like a Flower. One shot wonder from 1996 and then, they drifted into silence ...... Pity
so I'd like to come back from "Silence" (which was the first title track of "The Drifting Sailer") with this album title: "Back from the absolute Elsewhere"
 
I hope to speed up things, but can't guarantee when, I'd like days should be 48hrs long :)
 
Love all prog lovers... Prog gets deeper in feelings than other music do, not an easy task to accept in those fastfoodmusic days :)
 
Ciao!!
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 08:59
^^^
 
Thanks Giulio for these happy news... I do like the (now definable) debut album even if I'm not the one of the review you mentioned (....!! AngryLOL). Anyway, when do you plan to release of BACK FROM THE ABSOLUTE ELSEWHERE?
 
I'm curious.


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Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Grazie Mick, glad you liked it.....can I get you another drink?


Ryan......area review......bravo! ClapClap

Tell me, is the Jimmy Row thing taken from the Dead song???
thanks Jim Big%20smile that album is insane, I realized about halfway through that describing all the tracks was a bad ideaLOL
 
Row Jimmy: you got it.   "That's the way it's been in town, ever since they took the jukebox down..."  I would've used Casey Jones, but we know what happened to him...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 11:06
Originally posted by Grimalkin Grimalkin wrote:

Hi to everyone from Grimalkin, Hug
I'm actually working (veeery sloowly) on a new Grimalkin record...
...an old beautiful review of The Drifting Sailer from Prog Archives ends up like this: Listen to it a dozen times or so and it will bloom like a Flower. One shot wonder from 1996 and then, they drifted into silence ...... Pity
so I'd like to come back from "Silence" (which was the first title track of "The Drifting Sailer") with this album title: "Back from the absolute Elsewhere"
 
I hope to speed up things, but can't guarantee when, I'd like days should be 48hrs long :)
 
Love all prog lovers... Prog gets deeper in feelings than other music do, not an easy task to accept in those fastfoodmusic days :)
 
Ciao!!
 
Giulio Cataldo


keep us informed.. and in the meantime... I'll see about finding something to hear from your first. To my shame I've concentrated on the 70's stuff and haven't heard near all I need to of the modern stuff...what is probably the most vibrant prog scene.. still today.. anywhere.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 16:24
This is a list not made of "best of the best of the best of the best" of the classical italian prog. Nonetheless it's what pleased me more in the latest weeks and month.
 
Just an example: on the Banco dilemma: their first or Darwin? The most great album by them is Io Sono Nato Libero but I always found boring (just a little but I have to be honest with you all) their debut. Darwin! is instead extraordinary, pompous and delicate. a summa of all their passion. Best as the instinctive sound of Banco whilst the follow uo is more rationally conceived and performed. Both 5 stars, for me.
 
And that's why I put Come in un Ultima Cena in the list. That's a fabulous album. Their last big one. It's mature but powerful at the same time. Lyrics are also very intriguing. Musically is a sort of mix between Darwin and Io Sono Nato Libero for the wise balance between the bombastic keyboards' sound and the mellow and gentle acoustic guitar. Just to think that the album features the collaboration of a certain Angelo Branduardi on violin (he also is responsible for the english adaptation of the album).
 
Now back to the list of 10 classics from the seventies (probably the next week the special on the contemporary bands):
 
 
1) Riccardo Zappa - Celestion (1977)
 

 
 

Soon the album became very popular in Italy mainly due to the new role for the acoustic and classic guitars. The first time in prog: classic guitar in such a venerable work. The listener is completely bown away by all these five compositions. There are not many comparisons to be made. Many prog artists are famous for their instrumental-based works, as for example Mike Oldfield and Bo Hansson. None of them sounds like Zappa. None in particular in none of other sub-genre of prog sounds like him. He was an extraordinary discovery for me. I'm sure it'll be an incredible experience also for you all. His first solo work is a must have for any good prog lover. Also for the wonderful and delicate mix between classic and modern side of music.

Near the end of the opener ... wow!!! an incredible guitar's effect (bagpipes!).

 
2) Banco del Mutuo Soccorso - Come in un Ultima Cena (1976)
 
 
There are no epics or extended tracks, the longer being just over 7 minutes. Vocals of Francesco di Giacomo have a more prominent role but, as always mix perfectly with the superb arrengements. A more dramatic feel permeates the nine songs. In the most part Banco go on aggressively alternating moments of highest musical poetry and intimacy.
My personal favourite is the impressive “Voila Mida (Il Guaritore” (6,14 mns). It opens with magical piano arpeggios alternating with mysterious drumming obsessive atmosphere. The listener remains breathless. Their most prog effort here. One of their best tracks ever. The second half apparently continues the same patterns but goes on with an optimistic and joyful theme in the best tradition of Banco. It's difficult to explain how they do it. But that's it. Just try.
 
 
 
3) Delirium - Delirium III: Viaggio negli Arcipelaghi del Tempo (1974)
 

 

Their forgotten gem!

Delirium III, also known as “Viaggio negli Arcipelaghi del Tempo” (Journey through the Archipelagos of Time), is their magnus opus, their masterpiece. I know many people say that only their debut album reached the masterpiece status. In my humble opinion they're wrong. I agree that “Dolce Acqua” was released very soon, in 1971, and is one of the first progressive albums in the italian prog scene. After Ivano Fossati left the band, they started to concentrate more in prog and the improvement is well evident in their second record titled “Lo Scemo e il Villaggio” (The Fool and the Village), issued in 1972. But it's only wih their third 1974's work that they thouched the apex! What a great album! More varied and complicated. Without frills. New characters and instruments enter in the songs' structure along with flute and acoustic guitars: mellotron and sax. The result is an original and wonderful work. If you wish to find some comparisons you should go for an original mix between early King Crimson and Jethro Tull, with some references to Van Der Graaf, sometimes, and some jazzy flashes! Also two or three (great) appearences of violin.

4) Quella Vecchia Locanda - Il Tempo della Gioia (1974)
 
 
 
Its fairy sound is very classical influenced, more than the usual Italian progrock scene. QLV brought it at highest peak, never abandoning the master hands of drummer Patrick Traina and bass player Massimo Giorgi (ex-Ritratto di Doria Gray, one of the first lines-up of what whould have been later Cherry Five). “Un Giorno, Un Amico” (One Day, One Friend) is the highlight of the album! My favourite one, indeed: 9,40 mns of pure prog pleasure! It’s a unique violin-driven prog! I confess I never listen to something similar. Extremely recommended!
 
 
5) Alan Sorrenti - Aria (1971)
 
 

Aria is the splendid long epic that fills the whole first side and is an astonishing piece of art of over 19,40 minutes! Very hard to get into for its complex vocals intrigue and probably it cannot be everyone's cup of tea. He was also compared as the one who eat a mellotron. So strange appeared to the audience his adventurous experimental way of singing and buildind such a – mainly – acoustic opus. Mellotron (his voice apart), hammond and synth harp are here, but never loudly, never shadowing vocals and acoustic intruments. Alan Sorrenti is also compared to Tim Buckley for the extended vocal harmonies. I use to listen to this album very often 'cause it part dark and sinister, part melodic, warm and melancholic. Still hard though but I tell you this: a pleasant experience enriched by the wonderful contribution of JEAN LUC PONTY on violin in the self titled epic. A memorable performance!

 
 
6) Premiata Forneria Marconi - Chocolate Kings (1975)
 
 
Chocolate Kings is the first album of PFM to divide fans. The reason is basically the introduction of a stable vocalist: BERNARDO LANZETTI from ACQUA FRAGILE. I never hated his voice. On the contrary I always found it interesting as it reminds me a sort of mix between PETER GABRIEL and DAVID COUSIN of SRAWBS. Not bad. Not bad at all. Ok, I still prefer to listen to an italian band who sings in THE native language, but that's not a serious problem for me.

On about the musicianship, Chocolate Kings is where the band touches the apex, in my humble opinion. I like soft electric piano here and there. I like also the exciting crescendos as you can hear in Harlequin, a classic with sparkling acoustic guitar playing. They seems to create a more liquid sound this time. Just slightly less pompous and more fluent, more elegant. This is probably the foreshadowing of what would have happened later with the album Jet-Lag. These jazz- fusion touches really enriches the whole work.

 
7) Perigeo - Genealogia (1974)
 

Wonderful jazz-rock album from one of the big three jazz-rock italian prog bands (along with Area and Arti + Mestieri). Perigeo are the more polite and elegant of the three. Less aggressive and less "rock". On this record they offer a fabulous opener that I'm sure would appeal to many prog heads. A sort of acoustic-medieval-jazz-rock made upon an ancient Court dance's effect. Intriguing and beautiful. The other tracks are more in the traditional way and more powerful. The delicacy of the opener is unique.
 
 
 
8) Riccardo Cocciante - MU (1972)
 
 
 
What to say? If you like Toto Torquati, then you have to put your hands on this one. Excellent singing and powerful, powerful, powerful, powerful, powerful and pompous synth effect in the closer Corpi di Creta. Great!!
 
 
9) Odissea / s/t (1973)
 

Their music is not the most complicated from the RPI scene but certainly has elements of peculiarity and uniqueness that should have guarantee a more wider recognition. Unfortunately this wasn't enough to permit the release of a follow up. So, another excellent source of prog, suddenly, dried up.

The songs' patterns never tend to leave the “commercial” mood. This is the main feature, I think. The amazing mix between the folk-(light)-symphonic prog and the rough, deep and romantic vocals create an unique experience, somehow in a similar vein to the contemporary band Jumbo, even if without the vocal (and lyrical) excesses of mr. Alvaro Fella. In fact, generally, Odissea are more mellow and delicate in each of the eight compositions, thanks to a remarkable use of mellotron, piano and organ and the inspiring interplay of the electric guitar! Just listen to the excellent “Unione” (6,06 mns) or to “Crisalide” (4,45 mns) or to the mellotron's explosions in “Voci” (4,04 mns) or to the fast and furious drumming closer “Conti e Numeri” (4,33 mns).

 
10) Arti + Mestieri - Tilt (Immagini per un Orecchio) (1974)
 

I have to admit Tilt is a strong release wisely builded up by jazz, classic symphonic prog and mixed with a folkish delicate taste. Musicianship offers enough pleasure to the exigent ears of any prog-lovers! Violin, clarinet, guitar, mellotron and hammond organ are the most relevant instruments. All the band's members are talented musicians and played live supporting other historic bands as Premiata Forneria Marconi and Gentle Giant. A classic without time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 16:28
great list Andrea Clap  Both Aria and Celestion would be in top 5 for my 'white' list if I ever get around to it hahahha.

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and you were dead on about Delirium III Andrea...  a fabulous album 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 19:20
Originally posted by Grimalkin Grimalkin wrote:

Hi to everyone from Grimalkin, Hug
I'm actually working (veeery sloowly) on a new Grimalkin record...
...an old beautiful review of The Drifting Sailer from Prog Archives ends up like this: Listen to it a dozen times or so and it will bloom like a Flower. One shot wonder from 1996 and then, they drifted into silence ...... Pity
so I'd like to come back from "Silence" (which was the first title track of "The Drifting Sailer") with this album title: "Back from the absolute Elsewhere"
 
I hope to speed up things, but can't guarantee when, I'd like days should be 48hrs long :)
 
Love all prog lovers... Prog gets deeper in feelings than other music do, not an easy task to accept in those fastfoodmusic days :)
 
Ciao!!
 
Giulio Cataldo
 
That's how I finished that review and I remember being disappointed that the future may not offer a second chapter. I am delighted that the silence is over . Bravo Giulio , Forza Clap
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 22:01
Andrea:  That list is very interesting, I've only heard 3 from it (well...3.5LOL) plus bits and pieces of others; and agree with you on those, especially QVL, one of the more "overlooked" in all of prog.  On par with the heavy hitters if you ask me, and you gotta love that gatefold artwork.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 28 2008 at 22:04
I guess I am one of the few here that thinks QVL's debut was in fact the better album..  both though.. still being great albums.  The debut hit me in a way that Il Tempo della Gioia didn't. 
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