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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 11:37
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

here you go.. expensive... which honestly.. is why I have not got it yet... 

however I found a copy for half that just this week.. but that link is mine ...  plus I talked to Tuz.. it may not be a legal copy. Thus I will probably get it.. and if it's legit.. I'll share the link.  For $9... I can afford to be 'taken' on one purchase..

it is a Russian issue...  and he's not sure if it ever was officially released on a Russian label. So not sure the story there. or quality.. for all I know I'll get a CD-R of Olga and her grandson getting freaky in a wood hut

anyway.. the link Tuz gave me..

http://www.polishmusic.ca/skok/cds/polskie/grupy/s/skaldowi/skaldowi.html



I"ve been looking for that one since last summer...it's been at the top of my list too, but no dice for the very same reason (I believe it was Gatot's review that pointed this one out, and I agree, the sample is great), be sure to let us know if you find a good copy of it...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 11:41
woa I feel silly for not noticing this sooner...just checked Greg Walker and he has the mini LP for a relatively
good price
 
SKALDOWIE - Organ soaked seventies prog
  • KRYWAN, KRYWAN (MINI LP SLEEVE) $18
  • ANTOLOGIA (3 CD) $25
  • 45 RPM (DIGIPACK) $16
  • CISZA KRZYCSY:  LENINGRAD LIVE 1972 (DIGIPACK) $16


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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 11:43
    ahhh.. I had checked earlier.. when Tuz mentioned the album to me. .and it wasn't there...   great.. thanks Ryan.  I'll take the pass on the Russian album then hahha
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    Review 44, Close To The Edge, Yes, 1972

    StarStarStarStarStar

    This album resists all reviewing. Detailing the features is useless, as anyone on the site will inevitably get the album. Explaining how they contribute to the feel is mostly impossible (for me). Nonetheless, I feel obliged to try. I absolutely love this album. I think it's the best thing Yes have ever done, and one of the all-time greatest progressive albums.

    Close To The Edge itself is one of the 'archetypal' progressive epics, and yet is not at all 'by-the-books' (as I've seen one review describe it). Firstly, its structure is distinctly like that of a pop song. It isn't as firmly divided into parts as something like Supper's Ready or A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers, but is a cohesive whole at all times.

    I suppose the best I can say for this song is that it is simply utterly gripping all the way through. I have yet to, listening to it, think about anything other than the second of music I'm hearing. There is no spot of weakness or single place which leaves the rest feeling any weaker. The Bruford-Squire rhythm section is one of (if not) the greatest rhythm sections, and nowhere is that more evident than on this song. Squire leaps fanatically around the whole range of his instrument with plenty of groove and force, and Bruford's biggest selling-point, a mastery of the little notes, is on display throughout. He also, notably, handles all sorts of drums, which I'm too musically inept to identify.

    Over this lead rhythm section, we have effectively got three lead players: Howe's searing, slippery guitar, which switches between its own bizarre style and excellent soloing. The Caped One's obscenely large set of keyboards both provide a backing atmosphere and fully realise the cosmic feel of the album, as well as one of the most uplifting and powerful organ solos ever handled. Jon Anderson, the final piece of the puzzle, contributes an intelligent set of lyrics, both including killer phrases like 'Sad courage claimed the victims standing still for all to see/As armoured movers marched onwards to overlook the sea' and word choices for sound as well as what I like to call 'word feel' (when a word, usually an adjective, is there because its meaning provides a certain feel even if it's not vital to the sense). He also handles his high vocals with a bit of grit that wasn't there in Fragile, and, while this isn't necessarily better, it does suit the song down to the ground. The accompanying harmonies which frequently feature are no less perfect.

    Essentially, this is the only line-up that could possibly have pulled off this song, and the whole is indeed greater than the sum of the parts. From the spiritual birdsong opening to the amazing harmonies of the first half of 'I get up, I get down' to Anderson's triumphant 'I get up, I get down' and the accompanying majesty of the Wakeman organ solo to the truly superb use of tubular bells near the end of Seasons Of Man to the final echo of the opener, every single moment is intensely enjoyable, and can withstand breaking down or being seen as a whole with equal resilience. Even as one of the newly initiated, whose musical ear was at the time incapable of distinguishing the instruments, I was gripped by this piece, its polish and its atmosphere and lyrics, and haven't yet been released.

    You And I, however, was the piece that really did seal the deal, because, even when I wasn't capable of working out
    why the title track was so impressive, I could appreciate the lyrical content, distorted/electro- acoustic guitar and gradual build of this one. The bleak 'Apocalypse' title frame a guitar part and vocals which may at first sound cheerful, but with the title taken into consideration take on a certain desolation or hollowness. Superficial appearances of the music and cheerful-sounding lines like 'In the end, we'll agree, we'll accept, we'll immortalise' take on an entirely different feel when the piece is looked at as a whole. Wonderfully convoluted and cleverly done. Anyone with a sense of wordplay and a an overdrive for examining lyrical material must take a look at this.

    Wakeman delights in the opportunity to take a slightly more lead role, giving us all sorts of whirly moogage and keyboards. Howe's guitar is incredibly interesting for me, even though I'm a non-musician and usually have an aversion to acoustic chords. Squire willingly generally handles a lower-ranged bass part (excluding a wonderful quick solo on The Preacher The Teacher, which does provide a bit more bottom behind the fuller sections and provide a better contrast for the softer ones. The grandiose Eclipse features another incredible solo from Wakeman, this time dualling mellotron with another instrument, which slows down excellently to Howe's guitar again. Jon Anderson again gives us a superlative vocal performance, and Bruford is intelligent on the drums/percussion side, creating the grandeur every bit as much as The Caped One.

    Siberian Khatru is the album's clear rock piece, with an intense organ riff running through the opening, Howe giving us a superb guitar performance, and Squire's bass (especially) driving the piece by both presence and absence. Bruford's percussion choices are inspired, giving an expanding feel to the piece, and both drum-beats and eclectic percussive battery. What really impresses on this one is how a musician can either change instrument without a moment of pause or awkward transition, with Wakeman gliding between harpischord, mellotron, moog and organ, and Howe employing both acoustic and electric guitars. Jon Anderson's vocals (complete with harmonies) and lyrics are again immaculate. Needless to say, again, this is 100% effort, enigma and brilliance, and essential listening.

    The remaster includes the single version of America (the complete version's on Fragile, and I've reviewed that there), which is equally great in both formats. A single version of Total Mass Retain doesn't work as badly as I'd have thought it would do out of context, and could be of interest to a Yes fanatic. The two rehearsals/alternate versions of You And I (much thicker bass sound) and Siberian Khatru (some harmonies missed) are actually quite interesting for me (a non Yes-nut), and I don't feel crowded by the bonuses included or feel that they wreck the album as a whole. Overall, a good set of bonuses.

    If you don't have this album, head right for your nearest internet-based or non-internet-based prog store, and buy it. I seriously doubt that you'll be disappointed if you don't
    try to convince yourself that it can't possibly be as good as the hype.

    Rating: Five Stars. No question.

    Favourite Track: All of them. Going to say You And I for the lyrical interest.

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    An entire page without reviews... This is madness LOL

    New listens: From H To He was superb. I loved it. A VDGG album, certainly, but different to any of the later ones I've got. Less vocal-driven. 5ish Stars, because they're my second fanboy group. Phaedra was very interesting, though less easy to get to grips with than Rubycon. Not sure how to rate it.

    Mini-LP. Hm. I can't play those. Ah well, looks like the financial hit will take place eventually...
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    Album Of The Week: Scheherazade And Other Stories - Renaissance. Just when I thought I was safe from Prog Folk...

    Song Of The Week: The Vultures Fly High - Renaissance. The inner pop fanatic strains...

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    So, how'd I do on that one? Not easy to review, but I think I didn't end up making too big a mess of it.

    Next. Something else before Tales, I think, since I need a break from many-star reviewing. Might see if I can decide on something for Script.

    More Yes questions:
    For those people who didn't like Tales (not me, and not Mick, I know), what exactly was the problem with it? I see a lot of very general 'weren't enough ideas' reviews, but I can't help feeling that some people were just taken aback by the difficult nature of the album and have explained that away as a lack of substance.

    Edit: ha, my browser is shuddering at opening the 870-odd CTTE reviews so I can post mine...


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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 11:53
    Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

    ahhh.. I had checked earlier.. when Tuz mentioned the album to me. .and it wasn't there...   great.. thanks Ryan.  I'll take the pass on the Russian album then hahha
    okay so I'm not blind, because I coulda sworn it wasn't there too.  Let me know about the album (and the packaging too...love those mini LPs)
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 11:55
    ooohhh...  been looking forward to this


    possibly the first Close to the Edge review I'll read in months.. a year... since I've been here hahahah

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:03
    excellent review Rob.. and you nailed the head. .again..Clap

    especially on why 'Close to the Edge' is head and shoulders above any epic out there.. the key is it's structure.  It is, like I've said before and posted analytical analysis of before....it's  an 18 minute long pop song...  and how much more prog can anything be than that. Head and shoulders above anything else anyone did .. or even attempted.
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:05

    Rob, I like it.  not really a difficult album to rate whatsoever.  I brought CttE up a while back when we were talking about the "flawed masterpiece", just because I think they ran out of ideas by the second half of Siberian Khatru, they must play that riff 500 times.  But I will say on it's behalf that it's a good riff at first, and the solo section is as good as it gets; particularly Steve Howe's pedal steel part - you don't hear many able to make it 'swoop' like that and sound so big and graceful.

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:09
    oh, and I can't forget how 'prog' the titles are...I remember being a prog newbie and looking at the back cover of CttE, I'd never seen roman numerals used to denote sections of a song, made it seem all the more complicated and adventurous when, as you said in the review, it's just a big pop song (or several of them strung together as in AYAI)
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:14
    Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

    excellent review Rob.. and you nailed the head. .again..Clap

    especially on why 'Close to the Edge' is head and shoulders above any epic out there.. the key is it's structure.  It is, like I've said before and posted analytical analysis of before....it's  an 18 minute long pop song...  and how much more prog can anything be than that. Head and shoulders above anything else anyone did .. or even attempted.


    I probably stole that idea from one of your posts Tongue. Couldn't find the review I remember you quoting, though. I have a slight preference for Les Porches, myself, because it has a little more imagery and even a 'physical' effect on me. There are not many songs at all that can quite do that (Larks' part 1, Exiles, Les Porches, Echoes' good bits, Epilogo (of Ys)).

    Originally posted by jimmyrow jimmyrow wrote:

    Rob, I like it.  not really a difficult album to rate whatsoever.  I brought CttE up a while back when we were talking about the "flawed masterpiece", just because I think they ran out of ideas by the second half of Siberian Khatru, they must play that riff 500 times.  But I will say on it's behalf that it's a good riff at first, and the solo section is as good as it gets; particularly Steve Howe's pedal steel part - you don't hear many able to make it 'swoop' like that and sound so big and graceful.


    I've just never had a problem with that, so can't really comment. It's always seemed to me like an expanding, blossoming wilderness developing into civilisation. The visuals overwhelm my analytical skills. That solo is superb :)

    I took a while to get into Tales. Really, I got it before I could appreciate the components, and only loved it after I took the time to just sit down and listen to the album with no other distractions at all. Before that, I found it rather pretentious and vacuous, but everything just came together on that listen. Now I love it to pieces.

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    Quote oh, and I can't forget how 'prog' the titles are...I remember being a prog newbie and looking at the back cover of CttE, I'd never seen roman numerals used to denote sections of a song, made it seem all the more complicated and adventurous when, as you said in the review, it's just a big pop song (or several of them strung together as in AYAI)


    Absolutely. I don't know why, but when I first got that album (not too long ago) it had an air of mystery to it because of that (and the album art, actually, which was incredibly well chosen, I thought). And it still does, analysis aside. I'd only really got some ELP (my prog introduction, believe it or not) and a tad of Genesis and Crimson at the time. The sheer weirdness of CTTE (by comparison) was quite a different experience.


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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 12:25
    Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:


    I've just never had a problem with that, so can't really comment. It's always seemed to me like an expanding, blossoming wilderness developing into civilisation. The visuals overwhelm my analytical skills. That solo is superb :)
    that's a great description...actually I get something like that from the first sections of CttE; I think maybe the cover art - the way green colors are used causes me to imagine a primitive natural landscape at the beginning which develops over the course of the songs (you can come up with your own interesting cognitive reasons for this...)
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 13:56
    Good job on the SeaTeaTeeEee review! Much better than the one I did... although give me some credit, it was
    the second review I ever did LOL. As for VdGG, H to He was the first one I ever got into, you're right - it's way
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    Anyways, I'm going to "Moving Pictures" my way off to work Evil%20Smile


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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 25 2008 at 19:45
    Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

    Good job on the SeaTeaTeeEee review! Much better than the one I did... although give me some credit, it wasthe second review I ever did LOL. As for VdGG, H to He was the first one I ever got into, you're right - it's waydifferent than their later stuff.Anyways, I'm going to "Moving Pictures" my way off to work Evil%20Smile


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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2008 at 00:12
    Well I just got back and he didn't get me. Maybe I'll pop in that album next.
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    Review 44, Crime Of The Century, Supertramp, 1974

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    The two Supertramp albums I have, this and Crisis? What Crisis?, are surprisingly interesting. Most of the songs are somewhat poppish in nature, and I can't see much that would seriously offend radio play, but there is an inherently different sound to the band. The combination of saxes, clarinet, keys, violin, piano and guitar as lead, background and rhythm instruments at different times (as well as multiple vocalists) is pretty interesting in and of itself, and provides a range of sounds which are just not available to most groups. On Crime Of The Century, this range of sounds comes together with a loose concept (schooling and its results...) and good lyrics to produce an extremely good album. Dreamer, really, is the only piece I find slightly harder to love. Despite that weak point, the album as a whole is very good, and School and Crime Of The Century Itself are both 100% brilliance. Should be tried.

    A crooning harmonica solo introduces us to the album. The rhythm guitar, vocals and clarinet then come in, introducing the dark theme and friendly anarchist feel of the piece ('He's coming along'). A dominant bass guides us through the next section, and the drums come in to good effect. A brief, unusual guitar solo from Roger Hodgson with a couple of other additions and then a gripping piano takes us through the extended instrumental section. After a conversational vocal duet (something which'll appear in snatches throughout the album), a more punchy and vicious variation on the earlier 'After school is over' bit. A bluesy scaling up is used to end the piece. An extremely good song.

    An e-piano (if I'm right) near-solo leads us into Bloody Well Right, building up a contrast for the sax and guitar to kick in. A hard rock verse, with vicious vocals, chord guitars and bursts of soloing of the highest order bursts out of the woodwork with a definite force. The chorus is amusingly English, and fairly nicely handled, in my opinion. A set of handclaps and a sax solo brings us out neatly.

    Hide In Your Shell is a much bigger piece, with a Yes-like mass of lyrics (quantity, not quality) crammed into it. All of the possible elements of Supertramp, piano mostly excluded, are present somewhere in the song. The flow is pretty perfectly handled, and the vocals (except occasionally annoying faux-feminine harmonies) do match the song. We do get (around the five minute mark) a fairly interesting rhythm section, with a more worldy feel from the drumming and a squirming bass to match. Good.

    Asylum begins with another piano solo, and develops carefully to include Davies' vocals. The piano is a constant for the first couple of minutes, with a couple of subtle bass and organ additions before the piece's not-quite-chorus (organ, bass and drum driven, with a violin over the top) bursts out. The violins, a warm sax and all sorts of keys are laid over the next verse (even some tubular bells and guitar soloing on the next chorusy bit). Essentially, this is just taking a basic idea, and cleverly adding the band's rather large array of instrumentation over it, as well as being willing to break out of a song structure. Very well done.

    Dreamer was initially a huge annoyance, and has become simply not as good as the rest of the album. A fairly repetitive-sounding, but actually, not as poor as first impressions feel, keyboard, with some odder percussion and harmonised vocals in a rather pop-sounding set of harmonies. The final xylo-glocken-phono-spiel thing is a fairly nice touch to lead us up to Rudy, I admit. The problem with this song is that it's just not using the variety that makes the rest of the album great, and thus feels a bit out of place.

    Rudy is the third song of the album to begin with a piano solo, but it does develop quite differently to the other two. It does make use of a lot of the instruments available to the band, but rather more separately than, say, Asylum. We get a Hodgson-Davies conversation, superbly backed up by Helliwell's sax and the changing piano at one point. Lyrically, it's probably got the most awkward moment on the album, but the song does feature some brief soloing from the non-piano instruments, which isn't a bad change, and a darker texture at times. Again, an excellent piece of composition.

    If Everyone Was Listening is begun with more piano-vocal choices. Dougie Thomson's bass and Bob Benberg's percussion do get an opportunity to show their faces in the chorus. On the second verse, a nice clarinet (and also keys, and violin) supplement the piano. All of the song's basic elements are shown in the second chorus. A gorgeous piano-violin-bass-keys quartet leads us out. Overall, a very likable song.

    Crime Of The Century Itself is the album's near-indisputable highlight. A harder twist on the piano features, as does a surprisingly vicious set of keys, bass and drums, and the vocals (Davies) and lyrical themes do come to a head . The piece swells out into an amazing instrumental section, including a slightly Brian May-esque guitar performance, a very clever use of the piano and a lower clarinet as well as the hammond and a set of drums which echo one of the bursts on School. John Helliwell provides a lilting sax solo which is surprisingly refreshing, given how fond I am of a growling Collins or Jaxon sax. The violins and a harmonica guide us out. An absolutely perfect fade, and an amazing conclusion to the album.

    The net value of the album is extremely high. I do have a general preference for the darker, jazzier and more brooding sides of prog, but I nonetheless agree that this is a superb album, and shouldn't really disappoint anyone. But, enough yapping from me, the title track is available on PA as a sample (at the time of the review): give it a few listens, and if you don't love that track, don't bother with the album. If you do, then Crime Of The Century should be added to your shopping list post haste.

    Rating: Four Stars. Very interesting combination of sounds.

    Favourite Track: Crime Of The Century.

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    Mike, that's only because I was trying to get a 1 review/page average for the last couple of pages Tongue. Consider yourself lucky.

    ... Considering lowering a couple of ratings (on first page, if anyone's interested). Might. Might not. I'm trying to be a slightly meaner reviewer at the moment.

    Listened to Stratosfear, which was Heart. 4/5ish stars, but I'm not quite sure how I'd rate electronica fairly. Been giving the Caravan stuff a listen or two more. Decided that the problem with If I Could Do It All Over Again is the vocals...

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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2008 at 10:16
    ooohhhh... an album I have very mixed feelings about.. 
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2008 at 10:23
    descending to the level of repeating myself to the apparent level of meaningless platitudes but another excellent review Rob.  My mixed feeling regards the album as a whole.. agree that School and the title track are essential listens.. but the rest.. ehhh..  didn't do much for me.  Probably due for a fresh listen to that.. 

    re: the vocals on the Caravan album..  Pye Hastings's voice?.. or something else?  I know Raff prefers Sinclairs voice over Hastings.. which I do as well.. yet I don't have a problem with his voice. .and the music on 'If I could...' is much more interesting for me than 'Grey and Pink'


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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2008 at 12:27
    Nooooo!!! Micky, why!? LOL

    Personally I love Crime... to death. I originally gave it a 4 but bumped it up later on. I totally agree with you on
    Dreamer though. I like it because I heard it way too much growing up, but I can definitely see where it gets annoying.
    I'd be interested to see what you think of Crisis... because I found that one to be way "poppier" than Crime. Anyways,
    a great review! Pointed out some things that I didn't even notice until now. If you liked that one though I think
    you should give "Even In The Quietest Moments" a shot.


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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2008 at 17:01
    Quote Nooooo!!! Micky, why!? LOL

    Divide and conquer.

    Quote Personally I love Crime... to death. I originally gave it a 4 but bumped it up later on. I totally agree with you on
    Dreamer though. I like it because I heard it way too much growing up, but I can definitely see where it gets annoying.
    I'd be interested to see what you think of Crisis... because I found that one to be way "poppier" than Crime. Anyways,
    a great review! Pointed out some things that I didn't even notice until now. If you liked that one though I think
    you should give "Even In The Quietest Moments" a shot.


    What?!

    I just listened to Crisis? What Crisis? again, and it apparently has been draining musical value from Crime and The Doors (which are neighbouring it on the shelf). I did really enjoy it throughout, which I can't remember doing previously. Going to have to give it a while to stew over before reviewing it. Previously, I'd only really liked A Soapbox Opera and Another Man's Woman, but now, I think I found something to like on everything. From my previous listens, I was definitely content with a 3, now I'm on a 4. Meh. I almost get annoyed by albums that decide to do this just when I want to review them ...

    I'll definitely (I say that, but...) take a look at a little more Supertramp on my next spree

    Quote re: the vocals on the Caravan album..  Pye Hastings's voice?.. or something else?  I know Raff prefers Sinclairs voice over Hastings.. which I do as well.. yet I don't have a problem with his voice. .and the music on 'If I could...' is much more interesting for me than 'Grey and Pink'


    Pretty much, and some of the vocal harmonies seemed very 60s pop to me. (If I'm way off, ignore me, I'm on the second listen or so). Still, the music's very interesting on both. Just, no Disassociation on If...
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    Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 26 2008 at 17:21
    Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

    Nooooo!!! Micky, why!? LOL

    Personally I love Crime... to death. I originally gave it a 4 but bumped it up later on. I totally agree with you on
    Dreamer though. I like it because I heard it way too much growing up, but I can definitely see where it gets annoying.
    I'd be interested to see what you think of Crisis... because I found that one to be way "poppier" than Crime. Anyways,
    a great review! Pointed out some things that I didn't even notice until now. If you liked that one though I think
    you should give "Even In The Quietest Moments" a shot.


    @Micky - love the sig LOL


    yeah. .I thought today was a good day to break out a new sig LOL

    I'll give the album a fresh listen tonight..  I'll be fair and say they aren't exactly a favorite group of mine, thus don't get many listens. Really. the only album that I really did take to was BiA. 
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